How much will the atmospheric carbon dioxide change?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the percentage change in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration after a specified mass of carbon dioxide is released. The original poster presents a scenario involving the release of ##10^{14} kg## of carbon dioxide and an initial atmospheric mass mixing ratio of ##5.7 \times 10^{-4} kg/kg##, while attempting to determine the mass of the atmosphere.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the mass of the atmosphere, with some questioning the method used by the original poster. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between pressure, volume, and mass, as well as the relevance of the mixing ratio in the context of the problem.

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Multiple interpretations of the atmospheric mass calculation are being explored. Some participants provide alternative methods and raise questions about the assumptions made in the original calculations. Guidance is offered regarding the correct application of physical principles, though no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note discrepancies in the calculations and assumptions, such as the appropriate density of air and the scale height of the atmosphere. There is an emphasis on ensuring that units match and that the methods used are physically valid.

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Homework Statement



Suppose ##10^{14} kg## of carbon dioxide was released into the atmosphere and absorbed completely, what is the percentage change of carbon dioxide concentration? Take initial atmospheric mass mixing ratio to be ## 5.7 \times 10^{-4} kg/kg##.

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Using density of air as around ##29 g/mol##, the weight of the atmosphere is about ##10^{18} kg##. The percentage change is ##\frac{10^{14}}{10^{18}} \times 100 = 0.01%##? Where does the mixing ratio come in?
 
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Please show us how you calculated the mass of the atmosphere.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Please show us how you calculated the mass of the atmosphere.

Chet

Taking pressure to be ##p_0 = 10^5 Pa##, I used ##\frac{4}{3}\pi R_E^3 p_0 \sim 10^{18} kg##. Sorry the ##29g/mol## bit was misleading.
 
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unscientific said:
Taking pressure to be ##p_0 = 10^5 Pa##, I used ##\frac{4}{3}\pi R_E^3 p_0 \sim 10^{18} kg##. Sorry the ##29g/mol## bit was misleading.
And (4/3) π RE3 represents what geometrically? Think about this carefully.
 
unscientific said:
Taking pressure to be ##p_0 = 10^5 Pa##, I used ##\frac{4}{3}\pi R_E^3 p_0 \sim 10^{18} kg##. Sorry the ##29g/mol## bit was misleading.
You can't just multiply the volume of the entire Earth by the air pressure at the surface of the Earth and think that you are getting the mass of the atmosphere. The units don't even match, and the Earth is not filled with air. What is the air density at the surface of the earth? Are you familiar with the barotropic equation?

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
You can't just multiply the volume of the entire Earth by the air pressure at the surface of the Earth and think that you are getting the mass of the atmosphere. The units don't even match, and the Earth is not filled with air. What is the air density at the surface of the earth? Are you familiar with the barotropic equation?

Chet
Sorry I meant ##4\pi R_E^2 P_0##.
 
unscientific said:
Sorry I meant ##4\pi R_E^2 P_0##.
You forgot to divide by g.

Chet
 
The value ##29 (g/mol)## is equivalent to ## 1.29 (kg/m^3) ##. Taking the same density for about 3km and the Earth surface we have:
## \pi\times(6.4\times10^6)^2\times3000\times1.3 \approx 5\times10^{17} (kg) ##

For better answer we must use exponential law for pressure.
 
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theodoros.mihos said:
The value ##29 (g/mol)## is equivalent to ## 1.29 (kg/m^3) ##. Taking the same density for about 3km and the Earth surface we have:
## \pi\times(6.4\times10^6)^2\times3000\times1.3 \approx 5\times10^{17} (kg) ##

For better answer we must use exponential law for pressure.
The correct so-called scale height of the atmosphere is close to 7 km, rather than 3 km. But an easier way of doing this problem is to determine the weight of a column of air above each square meter. That would be 105 N. Assuming that the gravitational acceleration does not change much over the first few km, the mass of air over each square meter of surface would be 104 kg. Multiplying this by the area of the earth, one obtains 1.3 x 1018 kg. This compares with a value of 1.2 x 1018 obtained by taking your answer and multiplying it by 7/3.

Chet
 
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