How much work is required to bring a charge to the origin from a distant point?

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The problem involves calculating the work required to bring a charge from a distant point to the origin in the presence of two other fixed charges. The context is rooted in electrostatics and potential energy calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the energy conservation equation and the implications of initial and final potential energies. There is a focus on the signs of the charges and how they affect the calculations of potential energy.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to clarify the correct approach to calculating work, with participants questioning the treatment of charge signs and the resulting potential energy values. Some guidance is offered regarding the addition and subtraction of potential energies, but no consensus is reached on the correct final value.

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Participants are navigating the implications of charge interactions and the necessity of considering signs in potential energy calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the presence of both positive and negative charges.

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Homework Statement



A charge −1.3 × 10e−5
C is fixed on the x-axis
at 8 m, and a charge 1 × 10e−5
C is fixed on
the y-axis at 5 m, as shown on the diagram.
A −4 × 10e−6 C charge is brought from a very
distant point by an external force and placed
at the origin
Calculate the work that had to be done by an
external force to bring Q to the origin from
the distant point.
Answer in units of J.

Homework Equations



Potential energy = kq1q2/r

The Attempt at a Solution



So I set up a conversation of energy problem:
KEi + Ui + W= Uf + KEf

So I know that it starts a very long ways away so this means the Ui(initial potential energy) is basically zero and since it is being brought into the system it isn't moving to begin with so KEi(kinetic energy initial) is zero. Also it is brought to rest in the end meaning that KEf is zero. So we are left with:

W = Uf

Work being equal to the sum of the final potential energy:

U1f = k(4e-6)(1e-5)/5 = 0.0719004J
U2f = k(4e-6)(1.3e-5)/8 = 0.058419075 J

So summed I get: W = 0.130319475J which is incorrect

Any ideas?
 

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It looks like you ignored the signs of the charges.
 
So you are saying that U2f is negative so that answer should be:

U1f - U2f instead of addition?
 
That is not the correct answer either for when I subtracted them I got the value of 0.013481325J
 
Solved: positive is negative and negative is positive so:

U2f - U1f = -0.013481325J
 
fisixC said:
So you are saying that U2f is negative so that answer should be:

U1f - U2f instead of addition?
Actually -- to get technical -- U2f is negative. You still do addition !

So, U1f + U2f = 0.0719004 J + -0.058419075 J
 
fisixC said:
Solved: positive is negative and negative is positive so:

U2f - U1f = -0.013481325J

This is correct.
 

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