Work required to bring charge from infinity

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The problem involves calculating the work required to bring a third point charge from infinity to a specific position in the presence of two other point charges. The context is electrostatics, specifically dealing with Coulomb's law and electric potential energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between work and potential energy, particularly the sign conventions used in calculations. There are questions about why the work is considered positive in some contexts despite the negative potential energy associated with attractive forces.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the conventions of electric potential and the implications of bringing a positive charge into a field created by other charges. There is an ongoing exploration of the differences in sign conventions and how they relate to the work done by external forces versus the work done by the electric field.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may involve differing interpretations of work done by external forces versus the work done by the electric field, highlighting potential confusion around the conventions used in the literature.

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Homework Statement


Two point charges are located on the x-axis, q1 = -e at x=0 and q2 = +e at x=a. Find the work that must be done by an external force to bring a third point charge q3 = +e from infinity to x = 2a.

Homework Equations


W = -ΔU

The Attempt at a Solution


W = -(Ufinal - Uinitial)
Uinitial = 0 because it is at infinity.
So W = -Ufinal = -kq3(q1/r1 + q2/r2). After doing this I get:
-(e^2)/(8πεa) which has the correct magnitude but wrong sign. My book uses W = U instead of W = -U. Is there a reason for this? Work is equal to change in NEGATIVE potential energy, so why would it be positive?
 
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henry3369 said:
After doing this I get: ##-(e^2)/(8πεa)## which has the correct magnitude but wrong sign. My book uses ##W = U## instead of ##W = -U##. Is there a reason for this? Work is equal to change in NEGATIVE potential energy, so why would it be positive?

This is a issue with conventions stemming from the fact you've used a negative Coulomb potential. By convention the Coulomb force ##\vec{F}(\vec{r})## is negative to imply attraction: \vec{F}(\vec{r}) = -\frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac{1}{r}\cdot \hat{r} which gives rise to the Coulomb (or electrostatic) potential ##U(\vec{r})## found by, U(r) = \int F(r) \, dr and so U(r) = -\frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \int \frac{1}{r^2} dr = -\frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \left( - \frac{1}{r} \right) = \frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{1}{r}.
Either that, or \Delta U = U_\text{final}-U_\text{initial}.
 
You know from the basic charge layout that it will take positive work to bring the positive charge to x=2a. Try to think that way in general instead of relying on the math to give you the correct signs.
 
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Homework Statement


Two point charges are located on the x-axis, q1 = -e at x=0 and q2 = +e at x=a. Find the work that must be done by an external force to bring a third point charge q3 = +e from infinity to x = 2a.
My book uses W = U instead of W = -U. Is there a reason for this? Work is equal to change in NEGATIVE potential energy, so why would it be positive?
The work of the electric field is equal to change in negative potential energy, but the work that must be done by an external force is opposite.
 

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