How Much Work to Stretch a Spring 4 cm from Equilibrium?

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The problem involves calculating the work done by an external agent to stretch a spring 4 cm from its equilibrium position, given that a 5 kg mass causes the spring to stretch 3 cm when hung vertically. Participants are exploring the implications of gravity and the spring constant in this context.

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  • Some participants discuss the necessity of knowing the height and the role of gravity in the problem. Others express confusion about the wording of the question regarding the equilibrium position and whether it refers to the spring with or without the mass attached.

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Participants are actively questioning assumptions and clarifying the problem setup. There is a recognition of differing interpretations regarding the integral and the forces involved, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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There is uncertainty about the interpretation of the equilibrium position and the relevance of height in the calculations. Some participants suggest that gravity can be treated as a constant near the surface of the Earth, while others seek clarification on how to apply this in the context of the problem.

  • #31
From the sound of your question it sounds like you're still working the problem from the floor up. It's not a gravitational potential energy problem, as others have said. Work the problem from the ceiling down, from where the spring is hung. Those are the measurements that matter. The height above the floor is not important, but as Fewmet has said g will play a role in the calculation.
 
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  • #32
I see it now, I overlooked it.

\sum W = \int_{x_0 = 3.00cm}^{x = 4.00cm} -kx\cdot dx - mg(-1.00cm)

Right? I have negative change in distance because I am climbing "down hill"
 
  • #33
If you compute that answer, you'll find that it's negative. That's because you calculated the work exerted by the spring on the external agent, not the work exerted by the external agent on the spring.

Here's a useful way to approach this problem. We're applying a force to pull the spring down, and that force is kx. Gravity provides some help, so we only really need to apply kx-mg. The integral of kx-mg from x=3cm to x=4cm is the work that the external agent needs to do.
 
  • #34
Well we don't even know what k is

I calculated and I got

-3.5 * 10-4 * k + 50 * 1cm= Work
 
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  • #35
The question tells you that when a 5kg mass is hung on the spring, it stretches by 3cm. A 5kg mass applies a force of (5 kg)*(9.8 m/s^2), so can you find the spring constant?
 
  • #36
Oh lol

mg = kx

mg/x = (5*10)(3) = 50/3 = 16.7N/m

16.7N/m * -3.5 * 10^-4 + 50 * 1 * 10^-2 = 0.49J Still positive?
 

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