How potential energy of electric dipole perpendicular to electric field is zero

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential energy of an electric dipole when oriented perpendicular to an electric field. Participants explore the relationship between potential energy, torque, and the motion of the dipole in this configuration, addressing both conceptual and technical aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the potential energy can be zero when the torque is maximum for a dipole oriented perpendicular to the electric field.
  • Another participant suggests trusting the equation rather than relying on intuition regarding potential energy.
  • A participant explains that potential energy is related to the work a body can do based on its position, and that it is arbitrary to assign zero potential energy to any orientation, including the perpendicular orientation of the dipole.
  • Some participants argue that since the dipole does not move translationally in a uniform field, it should have zero potential energy.
  • There is a discussion about the movement of charges within the dipole as it rotates, even if the dipole center does not translate.
  • A participant proposes the idea of defining nonzero electric rotational potential energy for the dipole when it is at an angle parallel to the uniform field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between torque, potential energy, and the motion of the dipole. There is no consensus on the implications of these relationships, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the arbitrary nature of assigning potential energy values and the distinction between translational and rotational motion of the dipole, which may influence their arguments.

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how potential energy of electric dipole perpendicular to electric field is zero
in this situation the torque is maximum
so how P.E. can be zero
please help
 
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Believe the equation, not your 'intuition'.
 
(1) Potential energy is the work a body can do because of its position. A positive charge a very long way from a negative charge has positive PE relative to when it's near the charge, even though the force acting on it is almost zero when it is far away from the negative charge. There is no logical argument to link high PE of a charge at a point to high force on the charge at that point. Nor, for a dipole, to correlate torque at an orientation with PE at that orientation.

(2) We can assign zero potential energy to any point (or orientation) we wish. It is arbitrary. Only changes in PE have physical significance. It's just kinda neat to assign zero PE to the 'halfway' orientation of the dipole.
 
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Since the dipole will not move translationally, why would it have anything but zero potential energy?
 
DocZaius said:
Since the dipole will not move translationally, why would it have anything but zero potential energy?
Even though the dipole center doesn't translate (at least in a uniform field), the charges do move as the dipole rotates.
 
Doc Al said:
Even though the dipole center doesn't translate (at least in a uniform field), the charges do move as the dipole rotates.

Right - I was aware of that (which is why i was careful to use the word "translationally" for the dipole as a whole). By the way, could we say that the dipole has nonzero electric rotational potential energy? (If we make the zero rotational potential energy to be at the angle when the dipole is parallel with the uniform field)
 
Thank you very much
I got it.:smile:
 

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