Undergrad How reduced density matrix obtained from the matrix.

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The discussion focuses on deriving the reduced density matrix from a bipartite density matrix. The participants clarify that to obtain the reduced density matrix for subsystem A, one must trace over the indices of subsystem B, and vice versa. The correct notation for the reduced density matrix is confirmed to be (\rho_A)_{i j} = \sum_a \rho_{i j a a}, which sums over the indices corresponding to subsystem B. There is emphasis on the importance of clearly identifying the indices in the original density matrix to perform the reduction accurately. Overall, the conversation highlights the mathematical process of tracing and the significance of proper notation in quantum mechanics.
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Can any expert help me in explaining how this example below get the reduced density matrix from the density matrix in bipartite system.
$$\rho =\frac{1}{4}\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 1 & cos(\frac{\alpha}{2})-sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}) & cos(\frac{\alpha}{2})+sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}) \\ 1 & 1 & cos(\frac{\alpha}{2})-sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}) & cos(\frac{\alpha}{2})+sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}) \\ cos(\frac{\alpha}{2})-sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}) & cos(\frac{\alpha}{2})-sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}) & 1-sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}) & cos(\frac{\alpha}{4}) \\ cos(\frac{\alpha}{2})+sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}) & cos(\frac{\alpha}{2})+sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}) & cos(\frac{\alpha}{4}) & 1+sin(\alpha)\end{pmatrix}$$

For the subsystems, this yields, as below.

$$\rho_\text{A}=Tr_\text{B}(\rho)=\frac{1}{2}\begin{pmatrix}1 & cos(\frac{\alpha}{2}) \\ cos(\frac{\alpha}{2}) & 1\end{pmatrix}$$

and

$$\rho_\text{B}=Tr_\text{A}(\rho)=\frac{1}{2}\begin{pmatrix}1-\frac{1}{2}sin(\alpha) & cos^2(\frac{\alpha}{2}) \\ cos^2(\frac{\alpha}{2}) & 1+\frac{1}{2}sin(\alpha)\end{pmatrix}$$

How the reduced to each system A and B obtained?
 
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If you have a composite density of the form

\rho_{i j a b}

where i, j refer to a basis for system A and a, b refer to a basis for system B, then

(\rho_A)_{i j} = \sum_a \rho_{i j a a}

(\rho_B)_{a b} = \sum_i \rho_{i i a b}

Your 4x4 matrix doesn't clearly indicate which indices are for A and which are for B, but I assume you're doing something like:
  1. The element with row=1, column=1 corresponds to i=1, j=1, a=1, b=1
  2. The element with row=1, column=2 corresponds to i=1, j=1, a=2, b=1
  3. The element with row=2, column=1 corresponds to i=1, j=1, a=1, b=2
  4. The element with row=2, column=2 corresponds to i=1, j=1, a=2, b=2
  5. The element with row=1, column=3 corresponds to i=2, j=1, a=1, b=1
  6. The element with row=1, column=4 corresponds to i=2, j=1, a=2, b=1
  7. The element with row=2, column=3 corresponds to i=2, j=1, a=1, b=2
  8. The element with row=2, column=4 corresponds to i=2, j=1, a=2, b=2
  9. etc.
(or something like that)
 
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stevendaryl said:
If you have a composite density of the form

\rho_{i j a b}

where i, j refer to a basis for system A and a, b refer to a basis for system B, then

(\rho_A)_{i j} = \sum_a \rho_{i j a a}

(\rho_B)_{a b} = \sum_i \rho_{i i a b}

Your 4x4 matrix doesn't clearly indicate which indices are for A and which are for B, but I assume you're doing something like:
  1. The element with row=1, column=1 corresponds to i=1, j=1, a=1, b=1
  2. The element with row=1, column=2 corresponds to i=1, j=1, a=2, b=1
  3. The element with row=2, column=1 corresponds to i=1, j=1, a=1, b=2
  4. The element with row=2, column=2 corresponds to i=1, j=1, a=2, b=2
  5. The element with row=1, column=3 corresponds to i=2, j=1, a=1, b=1
  6. The element with row=1, column=4 corresponds to i=2, j=1, a=2, b=1
  7. The element with row=2, column=3 corresponds to i=2, j=1, a=1, b=2
  8. The element with row=2, column=4 corresponds to i=2, j=1, a=2, b=2
  9. etc.
(or something like that)
thankyou for helping me. really appreciate.
Sorry, I want to ask more either the notation for
(\rho_A)_{i j} = \sum_a \rho_{i j a a}

or

(\rho_A)_{i j} = \sum_a \rho_{i j a b} ?

Thank you very much
 
munirah said:
thankyou for helping me. really appreciate.
Sorry, I want to ask more either the notation for
(\rho_A)_{i j} = \sum_a \rho_{i j a a}

or

(\rho_A)_{i j} = \sum_a \rho_{i j a b} ?

Thank you very much

The first one is correct. That's sort of obvious, because the second one has a free index, b on the right-hand side, but not on the left-hand-side.
 
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stevendaryl said:
The first one is correct. That's sort of obvious, because the second one has a free index, b on the right-hand side, but not on the left-hand-side.
tqvm stevendaryl for your respon
 
stevendaryl, can you give me the example according what you explain. I already try to understand. please
 
You have to give the context. There's no way to guess from just throwing a matrix in the discussion what it means! There must be a clear definition in the textbook/problem sheet given. Otherwise it's just useless!
 
munirah said:
stevendaryl, can you give me the example according what you explain. I already try to understand. please

I don't understand what it is that you don't understand. The density matrix for a two-component system has 4 indices: two for the first component, and two for the second component. To form the reduced matrix for one component, you "trace" over the indices for the other component. A trace means setting the two indices to the same value and summing over all possibilities.

Your original matrix doesn't clearly identify those 4 indices, so it's not possible to form the reduced matrix without additional information. That was probably present, if you saw the problem in a textbook.

From your 16-element matrix, what I'm assuming the components of \rho_{ijab} are:
  1. \rho_{1111} = \frac{1}{4}
  2. \rho_{1112} = \frac{1}{4}
  3. \rho_{1121} = \frac{1}{4}
  4. \rho_{1122} = \frac{1}{4}
  5. \rho_{1211} = \frac{1}{4}(cos(\frac{\alpha}{2}) - sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}))
  6. \rho_{1212} = \frac{1}{4}(cos(\frac{\alpha}{2}) + sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}))
  7. \rho_{1221} = \frac{1}{4}(cos(\frac{\alpha}{2}) - sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}))
  8. \rho_{1222} = \frac{1}{4}(cos(\frac{\alpha}{2}) + sin(\frac{\alpha}{2}))
Etc.

So
(\rho_A)_{ij} = \rho_{ij11} + \rho_{ij22}
(\rho_B)_{ab} = \rho_{11ab} + \rho_{22ab}
 
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tqvm stevendaryl. I understand now
 

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