How Do Indices Determine Positions in a Quantum Density Matrix?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation and interpretation of the density matrix for a quantum state represented as a superposition of basis states. Participants explore how indices in the density matrix relate to the positions of elements and the implications of different representations in quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant presents a density matrix derived from a superposition state and questions how the indices affect the positioning of elements within the matrix.
  • Another participant asserts that the matrix is defined in a specific way and notes that it is Hermitian, but does not clarify how this relates to the indices.
  • A subsequent reply suggests that the indices could be correlated to specific basis states, indicating that the order of components matters in defining the density matrix.
  • Several participants emphasize that the order of components in the state vector determines the arrangement of elements in the density matrix, leading to fixed positions for the matrix elements.
  • One participant proposes a Dirac notation approach, detailing the calculation of the density matrix and the mapping of state vectors to their corresponding matrix representations.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of the indices in the density matrix, with some asserting that the order of components is crucial while others focus on the Hermitian nature of the matrix. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing perspectives.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the basis states and the definitions used in the context of density matrices. Some participants do not fully explore the implications of their claims about symmetry and order.

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I am reading Leonard Susskind's Theoretical Minimum book on Quantum Mechanics. exercise 7.4 is as follows:

Calculate the density matrix for ##|\Psi\rangle = \alpha|u\rangle + \beta|d\rangle##.

Answer:
$$ \psi(u) = \alpha, \quad \psi^*(u) = \alpha^* \\
\psi(d) = \beta, \quad \psi^*(d) = \beta^*\\
\rho_{a'a} = \begin{pmatrix}
\alpha^*\alpha & \alpha^*\beta \\
\beta^*\alpha & \beta^*\beta
\end{pmatrix}$$

From my understanding, if we use ##\rho_{a'a} = \psi(a')\psi^*(a)##, then I notice that the matrix is equivalent to:

$$\rho_{a'a} = \begin{pmatrix}
\psi^*(u)\psi(u) & \psi^*(u)\psi(d) \\
\psi^*(d)\psi(u) & \psi^*(d)\psi(d)
\end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix}
\rho_{uu} & \rho_{du} \\
\rho_{ud} & \rho_{dd}
\end{pmatrix}
$$

I was wondering how the indices affect the position of each ##\rho_{a'a}## in the density matrix.

In other words, why is the matrix not:

$$
\rho_{a'a} = \begin{pmatrix}
\alpha^*\alpha & \beta^*\alpha \\
\alpha^*\beta & \beta^*\beta
\end{pmatrix}$$
 
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Because it is not defined that way and because it is not symmetric (it is Hermitian).
 
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Orodruin said:
Because it is not defined that way and because it is not symmetric (it is Hermitian).

But both matrices are Hermitian, would it be defined such that:

$$\rho_{aa'} = \begin{pmatrix}
\rho_{11} & \rho_{12} \\
\rho_{21} & \rho_{22}
\end{pmatrix}$$

And u would correlate to the 1 while d correlates to the 2, since ##|u\rangle =
\begin{pmatrix}
1 \\
0
\end{pmatrix}## while ##|d\rangle## is orthonormal?
 
The density operator for state ##| \Psi \rangle## is defined as ##\hat{\rho} = | \Psi \rangle \langle \Psi|##. When you go to a density matrix representation, you can choose the order of the components, e.g., for ##|\Phi \rangle = a | u \rangle + b | d \rangle##,
$$
\begin{pmatrix} a \\ b \end{pmatrix} \mbox{ or }\begin{pmatrix} b \\ a \end{pmatrix}.
$$
Once that order is chosen (the one on the left here), the position of the elements of the density matrix is fixed, so that the result of ##\hat{\rho} |\Phi \rangle## is the same as the corresponding matrix-vector multiplication.
 
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DrClaude said:
The density operator for state ##| \Psi \rangle## is defined as ##\hat{\rho} = | \Psi \rangle \langle \Psi|##. When you go to a density matrix representation, you can choose the order of the components, e.g., for ##|\Phi \rangle = a | u \rangle + b | d \rangle##,
$$
\begin{pmatrix} a \\ b \end{pmatrix} \mbox{ or }\begin{pmatrix} b \\ a \end{pmatrix}.
$$
Once that order is chosen (the one on the left here), the position of the elements of the density matrix is fixed, so that the result of ##\hat{\rho} |\Phi \rangle## is the same as the corresponding matrix-vector multiplication.

That makes sense, since when you find the eigen values of of the density matrix with the state vector and make it depend on the order of components, you get 1 for both options.

Thank you.
 
Well, let's do the calculation in Dirac's way, which is much simpler, because you don't need to remember so much. The statistical operator of a pure state, given by one representative state ket is
$$\hat{\rho}=|\psi \rangle \langle \psi|=(\alpha |u \rangle + \beta |d \rangle) (\alpha^* \langle u| + \beta^* \langle d|).$$
Now by definition in a basis representation, it's written as
$$\hat{\rho} = \sum_{ij} |i \rangle \langle j | \rho_{ij}.$$
Now you multiply out the ket-bra products, ans you get
$$\rho_{uu}=\alpha \alpha^*, \quad \rho_{ud}=\alpha \beta^*, \quad \rho_{du}=\beta \alpha^*, \quad \rho_{dd}=\beta \beta^*.$$
There's no need to write this in matrix form, but usually in a basis representation you write the vectors as column vectors and the co-vectors as row vectors. In this sense we map
$$|\psi \rangle \rightarrow \psi=\begin{pmatrix}\alpha \\ \beta \end{pmatrix}.$$
The corresponding co-vector is then
$$\psi^{\dagger}=(\alpha^* \quad \beta^*).$$
Then the corresponding projector is according to the usual rules of matrix multiplication
$$\hat{\rho}=\psi \psi^{\dagger} = \begin{pmatrix} \rho_{uu} & \rho_{ud} \\ \rho_{du} & \rho_{dd} \end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}\alpha \\ \beta \end{pmatrix} (\alpha^* \quad \beta^*) = \begin{pmatrix} \alpha \alpha^* & \alpha \beta^* \\
\beta \alpha^* & \beta \beta^* \end{pmatrix}.$$
 
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