How Sensitive Must SETI Arrays Be to Detect Extraterrestrial Signals?

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The discussion centers on the sensitivity of SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) arrays and the necessary signal strength for detecting extraterrestrial communications. Participants highlight that the effectiveness of SETI is influenced by both the power of the transmitted signal and the sensitivity of the receiving arrays. Advanced techniques, such as using gravitational lensing for signal transmission, are proposed to enhance detection capabilities. The consensus indicates that focused and powerful signals, potentially in the form of laser communications, are essential for successful detection of extraterrestrial signals from nearby stars.

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Fermi asks "why don't we hear from them" could that be because they don't "shout" loud enough or maybe our ears are sensitive enough to pick up a signal emitted by advanced ET's within just our own backyard.

Is it down to the sensitivity of the SETI arrays, or the strength of a signal from within our own galaxy to be picked up by the SETI or any other array on Earth ?

How "loud" would a signal have to be to travel from the further reaches of our own galaxy to be picked up by SETI, how much power would that transmission need ? is it possible to transmit such a powerful signal ?

Yea, I know, it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, hopefully there's an overlap as to how strong a signal could be and how sensitive a receiver could be ?

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How "loud" would a signal have to be to travel from the further reaches of our own galaxy to be picked up by SETI, how much power would that transmission need ? is it possible to transmit such a powerful signal ?
That's not answerable without knowing how directional and focused the signal is. Think of an old fashioned lighthouse with only a flame as a light source. Ships 20 or more miles out to sea can see the flash of light.

But even with a highly focused beam, I think the only chance is from nearby stars.
 
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IIRC, this is why there's now efforts to search for laser-borne signals.

One 'gotcha' on collimation etc is to use system star as Einsteinian lens.
IIRC, our 'focus' at ~550 AU, ~3 light-days, would give 'a few metres' resolution imaging of stars and planets out to 50-some light-years, 'kilometres' to thrice that.

Snag is each target system would probably need its own observatory and out-riders.

Conversely, the same 'lensing' could be used to practicably transmit towards those systems without requiring 'absurd' beam energies...

Down-side is improbability of intercepting such unless aimed our way...

Could be said that getting out to 'focus' represents a major 'filter'...
 
According to Seth Shostak, SETI searches aren't really looking for radio: they are looking for radar, presumably as part of a meteor early warning system. There is incentive to make the beam as powerful as you can and as directional as you can ( @anorlunda's point).
 

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