How Should Economic Policies Address Conflicts of Interest?

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The discussion revolves around how economic policies should address conflicts of interest, particularly focusing on individual and corporate decision-making that may benefit a few at the expense of many. It explores the implications of regulation versus deregulation in the context of historical events like the sub-prime mortgage crisis and corporate scandals such as Enron.

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  • Some participants highlight the conflict of interest where individuals make decisions that benefit themselves at the expense of their company or employees, citing examples like the sub-prime crisis and specific corporate cases.
  • Others discuss the broader implications of corporate decisions that may harm society or the country, referencing Enron's manipulation of electricity prices and the impact of lobbying on policy-making.
  • There is a suggestion that regulation should intervene when corporate actions directly affect people, though some express uncertainty about the effectiveness of regulations related to campaign contributions and lobbying.
  • One participant argues that deregulation has led to significant issues, particularly in the context of white-collar crime, while another questions whether deregulation was the primary cause of the housing bubble, suggesting that mandates may have played a role.
  • Concerns are raised about the unintended consequences of legislation like the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, which some believe disproportionately burdens smaller companies.
  • Participants discuss the need for accountability in the lending process, suggesting that unregulated financial instruments like credit default swaps contributed to the housing crisis by removing accountability from lenders.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and implications of regulation versus deregulation, with no clear consensus on the best approach to address conflicts of interest in economic policies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific causes of the housing bubble and the role of regulation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their examples and the complexity of the issues, indicating that the effectiveness of regulations may depend on specific circumstances and that the trade-off between protecting society and over-regulation is a nuanced topic.

  • #91
Proton Soup said:
most of those hormonal effects from squats are very short-lived. but if you want to get very strong, then by all means, squat. the comment about looking like a bodybuilder was a reference to extreme leanness (don't do that).

I understand... people don't seem to grasp that it's a % of body fat issue OVERALL, not some mystical gut-magic. I was just a little surprised to hear it floated as a means of raising serum testosterone in the vein of WhoWee's needs.

Personally, I'm happy to be lean... not hugely muscular, not flabby... not six-packed from a mile away... but lean. It takes enough work in terms of proper diet, exercise, and sleep to keep that going.

BTW... when you say "bodybuilder", is there a specific term for the 'bulk' bodybuilders vs. the more genuine seeming, 'form' bodybuilder? The former always struck me as a huge outpouring of resources, and risk, for a very VERY specific goal. The second... is something more akin to a good hobby. Would that be fair to say?
 
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  • #92
Can we split this thread?
 
  • #93
nismaratwork said:
I'm not asking this because I think you're dicking about, I just couldn't find... a paper? A study? I found plenty of links on bodybuilding and even "medical faq" sites, but not a peer reviewed study.

Don't know of any peer-reviewed studies on the issue of weightlifting increasing testosterone, it was something I had read somewhere a while back.
 
  • #94
nismaratwork said:
Personally, I'm happy to be lean... not hugely muscular, not flabby... not six-packed from a mile away... but lean. It takes enough work in terms of proper diet, exercise, and sleep to keep that going.

I envy you. Last time I resembled your condition was after 9 months of cycling my butt off. Barring a repeat performance, I think my report on the scale will remain dismal!
 
  • #95
mugaliens said:
I envy you. Last time I resembled your condition was after 9 months of cycling my butt off. Barring a repeat performance, I think my report on the scale will remain dismal!

Ah, but we BOTH know it isn't the scale, but the ratio of body fat that matters. Still, as the French say so well.. "Life, eh?" :biggrin:


CAC1001: OK, I was just curious. I've read the same, heard the same and it's not often treated as nonsense. From what I've heard from Proton, a few colleagues and read... it seems to accurate, but that the boost is short-lived. It makes sense given a healthy endocrine system, but I wonder what the effect of telling your body: "muscle-priority!" is, if you DO have an endocrine disorder relating to testosterone production or binding.
 
  • #96
WhoWee said:
Can we split this thread?
Yes please split off the medical stuff into another thread.
 
  • #97
Just wanted to add a couple suggested regulations relating to OP. When it comes to campaign funding, lobbying should not be allowed. Who stands to gain from this activity except the obvious. Lobbying is basically a kind of political auction. If every candidate was only given a certain amount of money for there campaign out of the federal budget it would level the playing field dramatically. I am also sick of the media(news stations mainly)electing candidates instead of the people. Though if enough people realized they were being brainwashed it wouldn't work, but just like laws that replace the lack of morality and self discipline in some, there could be laws that protect the stupid and impressionable. Though we are all guilty of that at one point or another.

Also if companies were not allowed to hire outside of they're country of origin then companies like walmart couldn't take advantage of Chinese 'slave labor'. That gives them an unfair advantage over smaller companies putting them out of business. I guess there are those that have worked for that though, currency manipulation is hard work too! Then we could make the stuff we buy. Then 'stimulating the economy' by spending would actually work. I love how blame gets put on the lack of consumer confidence. Like if we all start spending our money on chinese goods from big box stores that we are eventually going to see the benefits. HA!
 
  • #98
BilPrestonEsq said:
Just wanted to add a couple suggested regulations relating to OP. When it comes to campaign funding, lobbying should not be allowed. Who stands to gain from this activity except the obvious. Lobbying is basically a kind of political auction.

Ironically, the recent events in AZ may increase the acceptance of lobbying - as a buffer between the elected officials and the general public - further insulating Washington from the voters.
 
  • #99
WhoWee said:
Ironically, the recent events in AZ may increase the acceptance of lobbying - as a buffer between the elected officials and the general public - further insulating Washington from the voters.

I believe we can absolutely count on the cowardice of our elected officials, their greed, and the ability of lobbyists to capitalize on both.
 

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