How stretching a rubber band, affects the range of a shot?

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The discussion revolves around an experiment investigating how stretching a rubber band affects the range of a projectile shot. The original poster describes their setup, including the independent variable (amount of stretching) and the dependent variable (range or distance). They express a desire to demonstrate a linear relationship between these variables and seek assistance in evaluating their findings.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for error bars in the data analysis and question the linearity of the relationship observed. They suggest plotting all measured points instead of averages and emphasize the importance of maintaining a consistent launch angle. Questions are raised about the starting stretch value and its impact on the results.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to improve the experimental setup and data representation. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between stretch and range, and participants are exploring various interpretations of the data without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's graphing method may be unconventional and that measurement uncertainties should be considered. There is also a mention of potential energy calculations related to the projectile's launch angle and mass.

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Homework Statement


I did an experiment on how stretching a rubber band, affects the range or distance of a projectile shot.
Variable list:
  • Independent Variable
    • Amount of stretching
  • Dependent Variable
    • Range or distance
I created my catapults on my own and used two different rubbers bands and compared them
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2. The attempt at a solution
Then I calculated the average, however i wanted to show that there is a linear relationship between the stretch and the range, but i don't know much about it. so can you help in determining whether what i did was right or wrong?
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Then I graphed the average and produced a line of regression, but it didnt pass through the points so its not linear... Also i wondering whether i can get the potential energy, is it possible?
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rasalzari said:
hen I graphed the average and produced a line of regression, but it didnt pass through the points so its not linear...
That's not necessarily true. You need error bars. Your line may not pass through the average, but does it pass through any of the measured values? Can you estimate what they are? If not, plot all three points instead of the average and see what you get. Also, the angle of launch is critical for the range. What did you do to make sure that the angle was the same in all launches?

Also, your plot is unconventional. The independent variable is on the horizontal axis and the dependent variable on the vertical, not the other way around. For a linear plot it doesn't make much difference, but for other kinds of dependence it could be confusing and disorienting to the viewer.
 
kuruman said:
That's not necessarily true. You need error bars. Your line may not pass through the average, but does it pass through any of the measured values? Can you estimate what they are? If not, plot all three points instead of the average and see what you get. Also, the angle of launch is critical for the range. What did you do to make sure that the angle was the same in all launches?

Also, your plot is unconventional. The independent variable is on the horizontal axis and the dependent variable on the vertical, not the other way around. For a linear plot it doesn't make much difference, but for other kinds of dependence, it could be confusing and disorienting to the viewer.
Alright, i will try inputting all the measurements and see what happens, however, i did add the error bars but for some reason, it's only visible when u zoom in. I used ploty https://plot.ly/create/ to get the line of reg.
 
kuruman said:
That's not necessarily true. You need error bars. Your line may not pass through the average, but does it pass through any of the measured values? Can you estimate what they are? If not, plot all three points instead of the average and see what you get.
I tried all measurements, it is still not linear. :(

kuruman said:
What did you do to make sure that the angle was the same in all launches?
I think i might have done it wrong :|:cry:
 
kuruman said:
That's not necessarily true. You need error bars. Your line may not pass through the average, but does it pass through any of the measured values? Can you estimate what they are? If not, plot all three points instead of the average and see what you get. Also, the angle of launch is critical for the range. What did you do to make sure that the angle was the same in all launches?

Also, your plot is unconventional. The independent variable is on the horizontal axis and the dependent variable on the vertical, not the other way around. For a linear plot it doesn't make much difference, but for other kinds of dependence it could be confusing and disorienting to the viewer.
is it alright if the best line of fit misses the one point? will it considered linear?
 
rasalzari said:
is it alright if the best line of fit misses the one point? will it considered linear?
Yes and no. Let me explain. You need to understand how well your theory of linearity matches the experiment that you undertook. "Linear" in your case means that the range is proportional to the stretch for all values of the stretch. So answer me this, why did you start stretching at 0.10 m? What if you started at 0.01 m or 0.001 m?
 
Why do you expect a linear relation?
rasalzari said:
Also i wondering whether i can get the potential energy, is it possible?
If you know the launch angle and the projectile mass, you can make some estimate about the kinetic energy of the projectile.
rasalzari said:
however, i did add the error bars but for some reason, it's only visible when u zoom in.
Error bars should be based on the variations between the trials, not based on the measurement uncertainty of the individual launches. Your estimate for the average is much more uncertain than a millimeter.If your measurement uncertainty is really a single millimeter as shown in the table (I doubt that), you should give the measured ranges with one more digit.
 
mfb said:
Why do you expect a linear relation?If you know the launch angle and the projectile mass, you can make some estimate about the kinetic energy of the projectile.
Error bars should be based on the variations between the trials, not based on the measurement uncertainty of the individual launches. Your estimate for the average is much more uncertain than a millimeter.If your measurement uncertainty is really a single millimeter as shown in the table (I doubt that), you should give the measured ranges with one more digit.
fixed it, thank you for replying :redface:

kuruman said:
Yes and no. Let me explain. You need to understand how well your theory of linearity matches the experiment that you undertook. "Linear" in your case means that the range is proportional to the stretch for all values of the stretch. So answer me this, why did you start stretching at 0.10 m? What if you started at 0.01 m or 0.001 m?
oh good point, ill try doing it and thank so much!

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