Force Required to Stretch a Rubber Band to a Certain Diameter

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The discussion revolves around the force required to stretch a rubber band-like product to a specific diameter, focusing on the calculations and assumptions involved in the design process. Participants explore the material properties of rubber, particularly silicone and latex, and how these affect the force needed for stretching.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving the design of a rubber band-like product, estimating that 10 lbs of force is required to stretch it to a diameter of 9.875 inches, and seeks verification of their calculations.
  • Another participant suggests researching the Mooney-Rivlin model for rubber behavior, indicating that the initial analysis may need refinement.
  • Several participants share data on the stress/strain characteristics of latex rubber, providing empirical values for tension at various strains, which may influence the design considerations.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between engineering stress and true stress, with participants clarifying that the stresses discussed are based on the initial cross-sectional area.
  • One participant mentions the lack of measurements for hysteresis in their data collection, indicating potential limitations in the analysis.

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Participants express varying opinions on the adequacy of the initial analysis and the need for further research into rubber behavior. There is no consensus on the best approach or model to apply, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential inaccuracies in the assumptions about rubber behavior, the dependence on specific material properties, and the absence of hysteresis measurements in the data provided.

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Summary: Looking of someone to double check my work on this design issue.

I am posting this here because I am no longer a student, but it is similar to a simple homework problem

Problem: I am designing a rubber-band like product for a client. He wants to take a durable rubber band and stretch it over a circle that is 9.875" diameter and 1.75" wide. He wants it to be easily installed and removed, enough for a child or elderly person of 70 years. So I estimated 10 lbs of force would be ideal. The question I am trying to solve is: (At what un-stretched diameter is 10 lbs of force required to stretch this band to 9.875")

Relevant Equations: F =( [Ln-Lo]/Lo) * E * A

A=Cross Sectional Area (The band is not a rectangle)
E=Elastic Modulus
Ln=Length New (9.875"*π - 31.023" or .78798m)
Lo=Variable
F=Force (10lbs or 44.5N)

This is just Hooke's law, and I know that elastic bands don't behave under hooke's law at a certain point, but this was the best approximation I could find. Solving for Lo gives you:

Lo=Ln/(1 + (F / (E*A) ) )

The material I chose to calculate is Silicone 60A Durometer. I pulled the elastic modulus from this graph:
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Which gives me an E=3.6e6 pa.

The next step was to calculate the cross sectional area: Here is the drawing with the equations and variables:
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Plugging in gives 1.2834in2 or 8.28e-4m2

Now we have all our values:
Lo = .78798 / (1 + 44.5 / (3.6e6*8.28e-4) ) = .77638

D = .77638/pi = .2471m or 9.72inchesJust looking for someone to check my work. Provide possibly any more feedback, or an alternative way to calculate what I need. Thanks!
 
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For latex rubber (used with fishing line to launch radio control gliders), an archived plot of the stress/strain curve looks like:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070808211048/http://www.hollyday.com/rich/hd/sailplanes/rubberdata.htm
This matches the data i got from my own measurements:

Code:
   strain versus tension / initial unit cross sectional area: (strain == pull distance)

     0% =   0 lb / in^2
    50% =  70 lb / in^2
   100% =  95 lb / in^2
   150% = 115 lb / in^2
   200% = 135 lb / in^2
   250% = 160 lb / in^2
   300% = 175 lb / in^2
   350% = 195 lb / in^2
   400% = 205 lb / in^2  (not recommended).
 
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rcgldr said:
For latex rubber (used with fishing line to launch radio control gliders), an archived plot of the stress/strain curve looks like:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070808211048/http://www.hollyday.com/rich/hd/sailplanes/rubberdata.htm
This matches the data i got from my own measurements:

Code:
   strain versus tension: (strain == pull distance)

     0% =   0 lb / in^2
    50% =  70 lb / in^2
   100% =  95 lb / in^2
   150% = 115 lb / in^2
   200% = 135 lb / in^2
   250% = 160 lb / in^2
   300% = 175 lb / in^2
   350% = 195 lb / in^2
   400% = 205 lb / in^2  (not recommended).

Good to know. Latex is an option we had been considering so this is helpful.
 
rcgldr said:
For latex rubber (used with fishing line to launch radio control gliders), an archived plot of the stress/strain curve looks like:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070808211048/http://www.hollyday.com/rich/hd/sailplanes/rubberdata.htm
This matches the data i got from my own measurements:

Code:
   strain versus tension: (strain == pull distance)

     0% =   0 lb / in^2
    50% =  70 lb / in^2
   100% =  95 lb / in^2
   150% = 115 lb / in^2
   200% = 135 lb / in^2
   250% = 160 lb / in^2
   300% = 175 lb / in^2
   350% = 195 lb / in^2
   400% = 205 lb / in^2  (not recommended).
I assume those stresses are per initial cross sectional area (i.e., engineering stress), correct?
 
Chestermiller said:
I assume those stresses are per initial cross sectional area (i.e., engineering stress), correct?
It's latex tubing, and the strain is the increase in length. Say the tubing is 1 meter long, then 50% strain is stretching the tubing so that total length becomes 1.5 meters long, 100% 2 meters long, ..., 300% 4 meters long. For a rubber band, the length would be the circumference.

For 10 lbs of tension at 300% strain, the cross sectional area would be (10/175) ~= 0.057 in^2.
 
rcgldr said:
It's latex tubing, and the strain is the increase in length. Say the tubing is 1 meter long, then 50% strain is stretching the tubing so that total length becomes 1.5 meters long, 100% 2 meters long, ..., 300% 4 meters long. For a rubber band, the length would be the circumference.

For 10 lbs of tension at 300% strain, the cross sectional area would be (10/175) ~= 0.057 in^2.
So those stresses would be the "true stresses", not the "engineering stresses."
 
Chestermiller said:
So those stresses would be the "true stresses", not the "engineering stresses."

Chestermiller said:
I assume those stresses are per initial cross sectional area (i.e., engineering stress), correct?

Correct, the cross sectional area is the initial (zero tension) cross sectional area.

I missed the earlier post. I updated my original post to clarify this.

No attempt was made to measure the hysteresis. Each measurement was done after a stretch. A table of tensions versus return path from various stretches was not made.
 
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