How the probability amplitude is estimated in practice

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The discussion revolves around the estimation and determination of probability amplitudes in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of experimental setups. Participants explore how these amplitudes are derived from experimental results, the influence of state preparation, and the implications of mixed states in quantum systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Patrick inquires about how the amplitude of probability is determined in practice for a given experiment, referencing an example where probabilities are assumed to be equiprobable.
  • Some participants suggest that the probabilities depend on the initial preparation of the quantum system, particularly when starting from a thermal source in equilibrium.
  • There is a discussion about mixed states, where probabilities are not equal, and whether repeating experiments is necessary to evaluate these probabilities and deduce amplitude values.
  • One participant mentions that statistical mechanics indicates the probability of being in a state of energy is proportional to an exponential function of energy, which can help in determining probabilities in mixed quantum states.
  • Another participant describes a specific experimental setup involving cold atoms, detailing how initial conditions can be characterized through preliminary measurements to inform the actual experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the relationship between state preparation and probability amplitudes, with no consensus on the best approach to estimate these amplitudes in practice. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how to handle mixed states and the necessity of repeating experiments.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence of probabilities on initial conditions and the assumptions made about the thermal state of the system. The discussion highlights the complexity of estimating amplitudes from probabilistic experiments, indicating that practical approaches may vary significantly based on the experimental context.

microsansfil
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Hi,

I would like to know how the amplitude of probability is estimated/determinated in practice, for a given experiment.

In this example 1.3.2 Analysis of Experiment 2 it is assumed that the probability for each of the two possible states are equiprobable. Than from the experimental results it is determinated the value of amplitude of probability.

In pratice, the value of the amplitudes of probabilities (which are used to calculate the probabilities of the measurement results) would therefore be determined from the experiment ?

Best Regards
Patrick
 
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It is a question of state preparation: the probabilities will depends on how the quantum system was initially prepared.

For states that have the same energy, starting from a thermal source (a source that is in thermal equilibrium with some reservoir), then by the fundamental assumption of statistical mechanics, the probabilities of all states are equal.
 
DrClaude said:
It is a question of state preparation: the probabilities will depends on how the quantum system was initially prepared.
For states that have the same energy, starting from a thermal source (a source that is in thermal equilibrium with some reservoir), then by the fundamental assumption of statistical mechanics, the probabilities of all states are equal.

In the case of mixed state, where the probabilities of all state are not equal, we have to repeat the same experiment to evaluate the probabilities and then deduce the amplitude of probabilities ?

Thank
Patrick
 
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With every value in the spectrum of a given measurement there will be a quantum amplitude that we will find this value if we make the relevant measurement. Quantum mechanics is the science of how to calculate such amplitudes given the results of a sufficient number of prior measurements.

Quantum amplitudes would be deduced/built from probabilistic experiment ?

Best regards
Patrick
 
microsansfil said:
In the case of mixed state, where the probabilities of all state are not equal, we have to repeat the same experiment to evaluate the probabilities and then deduce the amplitude of probabilities ?
I should have been more clear. For a thermal source, statistical mechanics tells you that the probability of being in state of energy ##E## is proportional to ##e^{-E/kT}##. So one can use knowledge of the energy states of the system to figure out the probabilities of the system to be in different (mixed) quantum states. One can also measure the ensemble before performing the experiment.

microsansfil said:
Quantum amplitudes would be deduced/built from probabilistic experiment ?
Technically, yes. In practice, it varies depending on the situation.

Lets say you are doing experiments on cold atoms, like 87Rb. The experiment is set up such that the atoms are produced, laser-cooled, and trapped in a magneto-optical trap. After that initial stage, you perform the actual experiment you want on the atoms. You can characterize the state of the atoms at the end of the initial stage (number of atoms, velocity distribution, hyperfine state distribution, etc.) by performing this initial stage of few times, measuring these values. For a carefully done experiment, the variance will be small, such that the initial condition of the atoms used for the actual experiment is well known.
 
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