How to avoid singularities in AS Gravity? Find non perturbative inflation

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of avoiding singularities in asymptotically safe gravity (AS Gravity) and the quest for a non-perturbative approach to inflation. Participants analyze the relationship between the renormalization scale and energy density, referencing existing literature and questioning the adequacy of current formulations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant cites a paper suggesting that the renormalization scale µ should be related to the density ρ in a specific way to avoid singularities during gravitational collapse.
  • Another participant argues that inflation and gravitational collapse are distinct phenomena and that the proposed relationship does not effectively remove singularities, suggesting a need for a different formulation of G(µ).
  • A later reply acknowledges confusion due to reading the paper on a small screen, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the concepts discussed.
  • One participant humorously notes that smartphones are not asymptotically safe, possibly highlighting the limitations of technology in understanding complex theories.
  • Another participant questions why the mass renormalization scale was not linked to the cosmological constant, suggesting an alternative approach.
  • Concerns are raised about the authors' conclusions regarding the non-perturbative formulation, with one participant arguing that the method used yields a parameter space dependent on multiple factors and that the authors' approach may not be valid across the entire parameter space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the proposed formulations and the relationship between inflation and singularities. There is no consensus on whether the current approaches adequately address the singularity issue.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equations discussed may have limitations, such as non-linearity and dependence on specific parameters, which could affect the validity of the conclusions drawn by the authors of the referenced paper.

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http://arxiv.org/abs/1008.2768

"To pursue our analysis further, we must determine more carefully the relationship between the renormalization scale µ and the density ρ. One appealing choice, advocated by Weinberg in his analysis of inflation in asymptotically safe gravity [3], is to take the renormalization group mass scale µ to be

µ ∼ [G(µ) ρ]^1/2 (3.8)

which has the appearance of the inverse of a “gravitational length” related to the energy density ρ andis equivalent to taking µ to be the inverse of the timescale over which the scale factor a(τ) changes."

One should treat G in a non perturbative way to avoid singularity.

So, it is like inflation counters a singularity, when gravitational collapse is treated non perturbatively
 
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Think your confused here a little. Inflation and gravitational collapse are two different physical phenomena. Here what they want to do is relate the RG scale \mu to the density \rho so they use the same relation Weinberg does in his paper(and has been used in other papers).

They then find that this doesn't remove the singularity and conclude that they need a different equation G(\mu) in eq 3.5.
They don't however ask whether 3.8 is right or wrong (though it may be a logical choice)

Anyway by their own definition they don't have a non-perturbative formulation that removes the singularity.
 
Yes, sure, they are different phenomena. And yes, I was a bit confused... Hmm, I guess this is because I read the paper on a smartphone with a very small screen...
 
Smartphones are not asymptotically safe.
 
I wonder why didn't they put the mass renormalization scale depending on the cosmological constant.
 
Finbar said:
Anyway by their own definition they don't have a non-perturbative formulation that removes the singularity.
The whole FRGE method yields a parameter space which depends on 2 parameters, G and /\, with a UV point to where infinite coupling constants of gravity flow to. u is related to /\, and p to G. Notice that eq. 3.8, unless for constant G, is a non linear equation, whose approximate solutions should just work around the vicinity of parameters, yet the authors try to find a relation that should relate u and p through out the whole space.

They shouldn`t conclude that they do not have a non-perturbative formulation, because 3.9 is an example of one. The problem it is that they try to find one for the whole parameter space, which it will never work.
 
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