How to Calculate Acceleration in Physics 1-D Kinematics?

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The discussion revolves around calculating acceleration in the context of one-dimensional kinematics, specifically focusing on a problem involving a car's deceleration over a given displacement. Participants explore different kinematic equations and their rearrangements to solve for acceleration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a kinematic problem involving a car's change in velocity and displacement, seeking help to find acceleration.
  • Another participant suggests using the formula $$\overline{a}=\frac{v_f^2-v_i^2}{2\Delta x}$$ to calculate acceleration.
  • Several participants express confusion about rearranging the formula and the equivalence of different forms of the equations presented.
  • One participant attempts to derive the suggested formula from basic definitions of average acceleration and average velocity, providing a detailed explanation.
  • Another participant points out that the formula provided by Mark is equivalent to one from the original poster's formula sheet, despite initial confusion.
  • A participant shares an additional practice problem involving a car coming to a stop, applying the equations discussed to find the time taken for the car to stop.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the formulas and their rearrangements. While some agree on the equivalence of the formulas, others remain confused about the differences and how to apply them. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to understanding the formulas.

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There are indications of varying teaching methods and interpretations of kinematic equations, which may contribute to the confusion among participants. The discussion highlights the dependence on specific definitions and the context in which the formulas are presented.

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Hi everyone, So far I have loved physics but I've been having trouble moving setting up the harder questions to solve for the answer. I would really appreciate the help! Thanks! :D

A car slows down from -27.7 m/s to -10.9 m/s while undergoing a displacement of -105 m. What was it's acceleration?

\Delta x = 0.5(vf+vi)t - missing aKnown:
\Delta x -105m
vi - -27.7 m/s
vf - -10.9m/s
a - unkown
 
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The kinematic formula you want is:

$$\overline{a}=\frac{v_f^2-v_i^2}{2\Delta x}$$
 
Thanks so much, Mark! But how do you re-arrange the formula to what you want it to be?
 
Coder74 said:
Thanks so much, Mark! But how do you re-arrange the formula to what you want it to be?

I don't follow...it's already in the form we want to give us the acceleration. :D
 
Coder74 said:
Thanks so much, Mark! But how do you re-arrange the formula to what you want it to be?

Perhaps you meant how can we derive this formula. Let's begin with the definition of average acceleration:

$$\overline{a}=\frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t}=\frac{v_f-v_i}{\Delta t}$$

Now, for velocity that is changing linearly, the average velocity is:

$$\overline{v}=\frac{v_f+v_i}{2}$$

And average velocity is defined as:

$$\overline{v}=\frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}$$

Hence:

$$1=\frac{\overline{v}}{\overline{v}}=\frac{v_f+v_i}{2}\cdot\frac{\Delta t}{\Delta x}$$

Thus, we may state:

$$\overline{a}=\frac{v_f-v_i}{\Delta t}\cdot\frac{v_f+v_i}{2}\cdot\frac{\Delta t}{\Delta x}=\frac{v_f^2-v_i^2}{2\Delta x}$$ :D
 
MarkFL said:
Perhaps you meant how can we derive this formula. Let's begin with the definition of average acceleration:

$$\overline{a}=\frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t}=\frac{v_f-v_i}{\Delta t}$$

Now, for velocity that is changing linearly, the average velocity is:

$$\overline{v}=\frac{v_f+v_i}{2}$$

And average velocity is defined as:

$$\overline{v}=\frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}$$

Hence:

$$1=\frac{\overline{v}}{\overline{v}}=\frac{v_f+v_i}{2}\cdot\frac{\Delta t}{\Delta x}$$

Thus, we may state:

$$\overline{a}=\frac{v_f-v_i}{\Delta t}\cdot\frac{v_f+v_i}{2}\cdot\frac{\Delta t}{\Delta x}=\frac{v_f^2-v_i^2}{2\Delta x}$$ :D
Thanks for the rapid reply! I really appreciate it..however.

I was lost in your explanation, it is truly in depth and an amazing point out.
But my teacher explained it in a completely different way. Here's an example of the "formulas" View attachment 6440
 

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Coder74 said:
Thanks for the rapid reply! I really appreciate it..however.

I was lost in your explanation, it is truly in depth and an amazing point out.
But my teacher explained it in a completely different way. Here's an example of the "formulas"
Actually it's the same. It's just that MarkFL ended up with a different form of an equation on your list. #4 in this case.

-Dan
 
:c I don't get how they're the same. They look re-arranged to me. Physics isn't exactly my strongest subject and this is driving me crazy.. ;( I managed to find another practice question but since my teacher doesn't reply to her emails, I was wondering if you guys could help me out again... I really appreciate all of you guys <3!
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Hi Coder74,

Coder74 said:
:c I don't get how they're the same.

In your formula sheet, Equation 4 is equivalent to Mark's formula. Starting from Equation 4

$$v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2a\Delta x$$

subtract $v_i^2$ from both sides of the equation.

$$v_f^2 - v_i^2 = 2a\Delta x$$

Now divide both sides by $2\Delta x$.

$$\frac{v_f^2 - v_i^2}{2\Delta x} = a$$

Mark used $\bar{a}$ to represent acceleration. So his $\bar{a}$ is the same as your $a$.
Coder74 said:
I managed to find another practice question but since my teacher doesn't reply to her emails, I was wondering if you guys could help me out again... I really appreciate all of you guys <3!

Since the car comes to a stop in $15\; \text{m}$, its final speed $v_f$ is zero, and its displacement is $\Delta x = 15\; \text{m}$. Knowing that the car slows down at $a = -5.00\;\text{m/s$^2$}$, we can use Equation 5 in your formula sheet to solve for time $t$ required for the car to stop.

$$\Delta x = v_f t - \frac{1}{2}at^2$$

$$15.0 = 0 t - \frac{1}{2}(-5.00)t^2$$

$$15.0 = 2.50 t^2$$

$$6.00 = t^2$$

$$2.45 = t$$

Thus, it took $2.45$ seconds for the car to stop.
 

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