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The discussion revolves around calculating instantaneous acceleration, particularly in the context of a graph that presents conflicting information regarding time values and velocity. Participants are exploring the relationship between velocity and acceleration, as well as the implications of the graph's accuracy on their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of the formula dv/dt and express confusion regarding the absence of a function of position, ƒ(x). Some question how to express dv/dt in terms of x and y. Others raise concerns about the accuracy of the graph and its impact on determining instantaneous acceleration.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations of the graph's data. Some participants suggest that the graph provides sufficient information to calculate acceleration, while others highlight the need for more sample points or clearer definitions. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between velocities at different time points and how to approach estimating acceleration.

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Participants note discrepancies in the graph, such as conflicting time values, and discuss the implications of these discrepancies on their calculations. There is also mention of the limitations in the available data for determining instantaneous acceleration.

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Ray Vickson said:
You must show your work. What have you tried?
First I used the formula dv/dt but I am used to have a ƒ(x) in the questions I usually did.
 
Hardikph said:
First I used the formula dv/dt but I am used to have a ƒ(x) in the questions I usually did.
Write dv/dt in terms of x and y, as defined in this question.
What is the gradient at a point on a graph, a) in terms of algebra, and b) in terms of geometry?
 
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It looks like this question is testing that you know what dx/dt and dv/dt mean in the real world.
 
I am NOT getting it. Can you be a little more specific.
 
Edit : Distorted plot corrected .
 
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There's a conflict in the figure, t2 is stated as being 3.8, but shows as 4.0 in the figure. There's insufficient information to determine instantaneous acceleration without more sample points or a limitation on the formula for acceleration versus time. If the figure was more accurate, the multiple sample points could be used to generate a function for position versus time, and then velocity and acceleration versus time. For example, the graph could be a hyperbola, in which case acceleration approaches zero as time and distance increase, or the graph could be a parabola, in which case acceleration is constant, although the graph seems to be closer to being a hyperbola.
 
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rcgldr said:
There's a conflict in the figure, t2 is stated as being 3.8, but shows as 4.0 in the figure.

Sorry I disagree. I think that's deliberate.

It states the velocity at t=3.8 seconds is 130m/s and asks you to calculate the acceleration at t2=4.0 seconds. The graph gives you enough data to calculate the velocity at t2=4.0. So you have the velocities at two points a known time apart.

The accuracy might not be great but you can calculate an answer.
 
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CWatters said:
It states the velocity at t=3.8 seconds is 130m/s and asks you to calculate the acceleration at t2=4.0 seconds. The graph gives you enough data to calculate the velocity at t2=4.0. So you have the velocities at two points a known time apart.

The accuracy might not be great but you can calculate an answer.
I wasn't paying attention to the limited choices of possible answers, so the accuracy doesn't need to be that great. There's no information after t = 4.0, so what's being calculated is the average acceleration from t = 3.8 to t = 4.0, not the instantaneous acceleration at t = 4.0. Based on the graph and the data, the acceleration is decreasing with time, instantaneous acceleration at t = 4.0 would be less.
 
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@Hardikph , I don't know if you've been able to follow the discussion between CWatters and rcgldr.
You are told the velocity at t=3.8s, and there is enough information in the graph to find it at t=4s. Can you see how to deduce that second velocity? Having got the two velocities, can you see how to estimate the acceleration?
 
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Now I Understand. Thank You guys.
 

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