How to Calculate the Maximum Speed of a Hydraulic Pump?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum speed of hydraulic pumps used in devices like car lifts. Participants explore various factors influencing speed, including fluid properties, system design, and component specifications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the maximum speed is likely based on the volume flow rate of the hydraulic system, which is influenced by the ratings of regulators and valves.
  • Another participant emphasizes the role of hydraulic fluid, questioning how different types of noncompressible oils might affect fluid movement and system responsiveness.
  • A participant points out that while fluids behave similarly in terms of compressibility, differences arise from factors like temperature range and chemical reactivity, noting that no fluid can provide instantaneous response due to mechanical inertia and the speed of sound in the fluid.
  • It is mentioned that the actuation speed is primarily determined by the flow rate of the hydraulic pump, with a potential delay due to the slight compressibility of the fluid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the factors affecting hydraulic system speed, with no consensus reached on a definitive method for calculating maximum speed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific impact of different hydraulic fluids and system components.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of hydraulic systems, including the influence of mechanical components and fluid properties, but do not resolve the specific mathematical relationships involved.

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About those hydraulic devices that are used for lifting cars and such; how can you calculate the maximum speed at which those will operate?
 
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I've never seen that mentioned anywhere, but it must be based upon how much volume the system can flow per second. That probably comes down to what the regulator and valve are rated at.
 
I think the focus of the issue is the hydraulic fluid; I just want to know an approximation of how the fluid would move (i'm just talking about some noncompressible oil; would it differ a lot between types of oils?). Would a hydraulic system be able to work instantaneously/ rapidly in response to some force? Do all hydraulic machines work very slowly or what?

Just to clarify, the system i am referring to is just your simple textbook model on hydraulics and forces applied. Two platforms of varying surface areas connected by a tube of hydraulic fluid.
 
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All fluids will act the same way as far as compressibility goes. The differences between them stem from such things as operating temperature range, reactivity with materials such as seals, and other chemical properties. You could run a bulldozer on water if you had to.
The limit to reaction time is partly a matter of inertia of the involved mechanical components vs. the power of the pump, but is ultimately restricted to the speed of sound in the fluid. It can never be 'instantaneous'.
Others here such as Brewnog and Fred know far more about it, though.

edit: I'm not sure, but you might have better luck if you ask to have this moved to the Engineering section.
 
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The speed of the actuation is going to be a function of the flow rate of the main hydraulic pump in the system (assuming other technicalities are avoided). We could get into a real discussion of valve and hydraulic system components that would regulate that flow rate though.

In the very simple layout that you mention, the effect of input would be immediately felt as output on the other side. In reality, there may be a slight delay due to a very small amount of compressibility in the working fluid. A typical hydraulic fluid has, on the order of 1% compressibility over a very wide range of temperatures IIRC.
 

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