How to Calculate the Molar Entropy of H2O(g) at 25°C and 1 bar?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the molar entropy of H2O(g) at 25°C and 1 bar, focusing on the relevant statistical mechanics concepts and equations involved in the calculation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various equations related to entropy, including differences in entropy and the relationship to the partition function. Some express confusion about the relevance of given parameters such as θrot, θvib, and g0.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different equations and concepts related to the problem. Participants are seeking clarification on which equations to use and how the provided parameters fit into the calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the connection between entropy and the partition function, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants mention a lack of recommended textbooks and express a desire for more practice problems to better understand the material. There is uncertainty about the assumptions and prior knowledge expected in the course.

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Homework Statement
molar Entropy
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Hi everyone!

It's about the following task:
Calculate the molar entropy of H2O(g) at 25°C and 1 bar.
θrot = 40.1, 20.9K, 13.4K
θvib=5360K, 5160K, 2290K
g0,el = 1

Note for translational part: ln(x!) = x lnx - x

Can you explain me how to calculate this problem?
 
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physicisttobe said:
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You can do better than this.
 
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I mean I have to calculate the difference right?
I only know this formula: ∆𝑆 = +𝑁𝑘 ln(1/2 ) = −𝑁𝑘 ln(2)
I struggled the whole day with this task, I hope I can solve it with your help
 
I also know this equation: S = -nR (xA lnxA + xB lnxB)
The allegations above do not apply to those equations.
 
If you have such a question, you must have seen more equations than this. Assuming that this is a statistical physics course, you must have seen the link between entropy and the partition function.
 
But which equation do you mean? In statistical physics course we didn‘t calculate the molar entropy which is why I have struggles finding the right equation.
But in general you calculate molar quantities with this Sm = ∆S/n
 
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Unfortunately not, our prof. didn't recommend any textbook. I was searching for a good textbook but I couldn't find helpful books, more specifically I couldn't find a textbook which includes exactly the topics we are discussing. Therefore, I had difficulties solving problems. Furthermore, we didn't calculate any problems yet. I hope, we will do some tasks with our prof. in the future but I don't want to wait. I want to practice now in order to understand the further lectures we are discussing in class.
Back to your question: No sorry, I don't understand why those quantities are given.
 
@DrClaude which equation should I use for this? Should I use the boltzmann equation S = kB lnW ?
 
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physicisttobe said:
@DrClaude which equation should I use for this? Should I use the boltzmann equation S = kB lnW ?
I don't know which equation you should start from since I don't know what is to be taken for granted in your course. My starting point would have been to start from entropy as a function of the partition function.
 

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