How to calculate the moment of inertia of a rectangular cuboid?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia of a rectangular cuboid, specifically addressing the implications of a formula provided in a textbook for a homogeneous body. Participants are exploring the definitions and interpretations of terms related to the problem, such as "remnant" and the setup of integrals.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants inquire about the meaning of the term "remnant" in the context of the moment of inertia formula. There are questions regarding the axes passing through the center of mass and their perpendicularity to the cuboid's faces. Some suggest setting up a triple integral for the moment of inertia, while others express confusion about the constraints given for the cuboid's dimensions.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the definitions and assumptions related to the moment of inertia. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the term "remnant" and the implications of averaging values in the context of the cuboid's geometry. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or understanding of the problem.

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Participants note that the problem specifies constraints on the dimensions of the cuboid, which may affect their understanding of the setup. There is also a mention of the potential misunderstanding of terms used in the discussion, such as "remnant" and its relevance to the calculations involved.

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Homework Statement
My task is to calculate the moment of inertia of a homogenous rectangular cuboid around the z-axis, so ##I_{zz}##. We know, that ##|x| \le a##, ##|y| \le b## and ##|z| \le c##.
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##I_{zz}=M({x^2}+{y^2})## ....there should be \overline above ##x^2## and ##y^2##, but it doesn't work here...
In my textbook, a hint is the formula above, which can be used when we have a homogenous body. ##M## is the body's mass, but what does the remnant mean?
 
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Does the z-axis pass through the CM of the cuboid? Are the principal axes perpendicular to the faces?
What do you mean by remnant?
Can you set up the triple integral ##~I_{zz}=\int dm~(x^2+y^2)~##?

Please show what you tried that "doesn't work."
 
kuruman said:
Does the z-axis pass through the CM of the cuboid? Are the principal axes perpendicular to the faces?
What do you mean by remnant?
Can you set up the triple integral ##~I_{zz}=\int dm~(x^2+y^2)~##?

Please show what you tried that "doesn't work."
Well, in the task there is written only that ##|x| \le a##, ##|y| \le b## and ##|z| \le c##. I don't understand what it means. But I suppose that all axes go through its CM and that its faces are perpendicular to x,y,z.

By the "remnant" I mean that \overline ##x^2## and \overline ##y^2##. I think it should be calculated somehow via triple integrals, but I don't know why the formula above is valid.
 
Lotto said:
Well, in the task there is written only that ##|x| \le a##, ##|y| \le b## and ##|z| \le c##. I don't understand what it means.
It means that ##-a \le x\le +a##, ##-b \le y\le +b## and ##-c \le z\le +c##. This means that you have a cuboid of dimensions (2a)×(2b)×(2c) with the origin of the Cartesian axes at the center of the cuboid.
Lotto said:
By the "remnant" I mean that \overline ##x^2## and \overline ##y^2##. I think it should be calculated somehow via triple integrals, but I don't know why the formula above is valid.
The expression that you call "remnant" is the mass-averaged distance squared from the z-axis, $$\overline{(x^2+y^2)}=\frac{\int(x^2+y^2)~dm}{\int dm}=\frac{1}{M}\int(x^2+y^2)~dm.$$ Since ##~I_{zz}=\int dm~(x^2+y^2)##, it follows that $$I_{zz}=M\overline{(x^2+y^2)}.$$ BTW, \overline works fine here as you can see. Use
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##\overline{(x^2+y^2)}##
 
Lotto said:
But I suppose that all axes go through its CM and that its faces are perpendicular to x,y,z.
Yes.

Lotto said:
By the "remnant" I mean that \overline ##x^2## and \overline ##y^2##. I think it should be calculated somehow via triple integrals, but I don't know why the formula above is valid.
When you say "\overline", it seems that you mean x bar and y bar. e.g. ##\bar{x}^2 + \bar{y}^2##. Here, x bar (##\bar{x}##) denotes the mean value of ##x## and similar for y bar.

Unfortunately, the mean of a set of squares is not equal to the square of the mean. Nor is the weighted average of a set of values equal to the average value multiplied by the average weight. [A moment of inertia is a sort of weighted average of a set of mass elements where the square of the radius is used as part of the weight]

We can try a quick test: The mean of 1 and 3 is 2. Squared, that is 4. The mean of ##1^2## and ##3^2## is 5. Four is not equal to five.

In addition, if we have a cuboid centered on the origin then it is clear that ##\bar{x} = \bar{y} = 0##. So the idea of using those in the correct formula is a non-starter.
 
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Lotto said:
By the "remnant" I mean that \overline ##x^2## and \overline ##y^2##.
That’s a curious use of the word. Remnant means that which remains; leftovers. Perhaps you are thinking of some other word?
 

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