How to Calculate the Velocity of the Faster Block After Explosion?

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The problem involves a block of mass 8.45 kg in outer space moving at a certain velocity, which undergoes an explosion resulting in two equal masses. The explosion adds kinetic energy to the system, and the task is to calculate the velocity of the faster block after the explosion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy and momentum as potential approaches to solve the problem. There are attempts to set up equations based on these principles, with some participants questioning the setup and the handling of variables.

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The discussion includes various attempts to formulate equations based on conservation laws. Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up the equations, while others are exploring different interpretations and calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in solving the equations with two unknowns.

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Participants note the challenge of handling the equations correctly, particularly in relation to the velocities of the two blocks and the implications of the conservation laws. There is mention of a negative result when applying the quadratic formula, indicating potential issues in the calculations or assumptions made.

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Homework Statement


A block of mass 8.45 kg in outerspace is moving at 2.47 m/s with no external forces acting on it. After an explosion, the block is split into two parts both having mass equal to half the mass of the original block. The explosion supplies the two masses with an additional 19.3 J of kinetic energy. Neither mass leaves the line of original motion. Calculate the magnitude of the velocity of the mass that is moving at a greater velocity.


Homework Equations


ke=(1/2)mv^2
p=mv

The Attempt at a Solution


(1/2)(8.45)(2.47)^2 =ke
9.28 joules = ke

What should i do?
 
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How about:
conservation of energy, i.e. the initial energy = the final energy + 19.3 J; how can that help you?
 
zhermes said:
How about:
conservation of energy, i.e. the initial energy = the final energy + 19.3 J; how can that help you?

9.28 =(1/4)mv^2 +(1/4)mv^2 +19.3
 
huynhtn2 said:
9.28 =(1/4)mv^2 +(1/4)mv^2 +19.3
Good, but remember that the velocities are different, i.e. they should be v_1 and v_2.

Now, you also know conservation of momentum: initial momentum = final momentum. This gives you another equation.
At this point you should have two equations with two unknowns (the two velocities), so you can solve them.
 
zhermes said:
Good, but remember that the velocities are different, i.e. they should be v_1 and v_2.

Now, you also know conservation of momentum: initial momentum = final momentum. This gives you another equation.
At this point you should have two equations with two unknowns (the two velocities), so you can solve them.

can you please show me how to do this. i would be very grateful.
 
Set up the two equations:
You have conservation of energy, E_{initial} + 19.3 = E_{final} and conservation of momentum, p_{initial} = p_{final}.

When you write them out, you'll see you have only two unknowns: the velocities. If you have trouble solving them, post them here and I'll give you some pointers.
 
zhermes said:
Set up the two equations:
You have conservation of energy, E_{initial} + 19.3 = E_{final} and conservation of momentum, p_{initial} = p_{final}.

When you write them out, you'll see you have only two unknowns: the velocities. If you have trouble solving them, post them here and I'll give you some pointers.

energy
(1/2)(8.45)(2.47)^2+19.3= (1/4)mv1^2+(1/4)mv2^2

momentum
(8.45)(2.47)=(4.225)v1+(4.225)v2
 
Awesome. In the momentum equation, solve the equation for either of the velocities---then plug that result into the energy equation. This will eliminate one of the variables, and you can find the other (remember to plug in the block mass for m). You can then plug back into either of the original equations to find the other velocity.
 
zhermes said:
Awesome. In the momentum equation, solve the equation for either of the velocities---then plug that result into the energy equation. This will eliminate one of the variables, and you can find the other (remember to plug in the block mass for m). You can then plug back into either of the original equations to find the other velocity.

from momentum
4.95-v1=v2

energy
21.35 = v1^2 +v2^2
4.62 = v1+v2
4.62=v1+(4.94-v1)

i did something wrong
 
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huynhtn2 said:
21.35 = v1^2 +v2^2
4.62 = v1+v2
NO!
(a+b)^2 \neq a^2 + b^2
i.e.
\sqrt{a^2 + b^2} \neq a+b
 
  • #11
zhermes said:
NO!
(a+b)^2 \neq a^2 + b^2
i.e.
\sqrt{a^2 + b^2} \neq a+b

err... 4.62=v1^2+(4.9-v1)
0 = v1^2-v1+0.32

there is a negative under the square root when i use quad formula
 
  • #12
huynhtn2 said:
err... 4.62=v1^2+(4.9-v1)
0 = v1^2-v1+0.32

there is a negative under the square root when i use quad formula

Thank you su much for you help, i got the answer! you are good at helping!
 
  • #13
:D thanks, happy to help
 

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