How to Calculate Wavefunction for Arbitrary Time?

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The discussion centers on calculating the wavefunction for a particle at arbitrary time given its initial state and the eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian. Participants explore methods related to the time-dependent Schrödinger equation and the role of energy eigenstates in this process.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating the wavefunction for arbitrary time without solving the time-dependent Schrödinger equation directly.
  • Another participant states that each eigenstate of the Hamiltonian evolves independently and that the time evolution can be derived from the time-dependent Schrödinger equation.
  • It is proposed that the initial wavefunction can be expressed as a linear combination of energy eigenfunctions, with coefficients that evolve over time.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the meaning of the coefficient \(c_k\) in the context of the wavefunction expansion.
  • There is a discussion about the condition under which \(c_k\) is equal to the inner product of the eigenstate and the initial wavefunction, specifically noting that this holds only when the indices match.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the potential must not be time-dependent for the stated evolution to hold true, acknowledging its relevance in many important problems.
  • A question is raised regarding the calculation of the inner product \( \langle \psi_n | \psi \rangle \) for a specific eigenfunction, with uncertainty expressed about whether this inquiry fits the homework help category.
  • A later post corrects a misunderstanding regarding the normalization of wavefunctions, affirming that \( \langle \psi_n | \psi_n \rangle = 1 \).
  • The formula for the coefficient \(c_n\) is provided, indicating it is derived from the inner product of the eigenstate and the wavefunction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the calculation of coefficients and the implications of time-dependent potentials. There is no consensus on the best approach to the problem, and some questions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the potential's time-dependence in the evolution of the wavefunction, indicating that this could affect the applicability of the discussed methods.

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For a particle, given the normalised eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian, the associated energy eigenfunctions and the wavefunction describing the state of the particle at time t=0 how does one calculate the wavefunction for arbitrary t? I know you could solve the time dependent Schroedinger equation but is there not an easier way than that?
 
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Each eigenstate of the Hamiltonian evolves independently and the evolution is trivially given by the time-dependent SE (if you know the eigenvalue, it becomes a very simple equation for the coefficient).
 
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Expand the initial wave function as a linear combination of the energy eigenfunctions ##\psi_k(x)##, that is, find the coefficients ##c_k## in $$\Psi(x,0) = \sum_{k=0}^\infty c_k \psi_k(x)$$ The initial wave function then evolves as $$\Psi(x,t) = \sum_{k=0}^\infty c_k \psi_k(x) e^{-iE_k t / \hbar}$$
 
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Thanks for the quick replies. I'm seriously lacking an understanding of this. Can you tell me what the coefficient [itex]c_k[/itex] corresponds to?
 
is it correct that [itex]c_k=\left\langle \psi_n |\psi \right\rangle[/itex]
 
Only if n = k.
 
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silly typo there. thanks
 
Orodruin said:
Each eigenstate of the Hamiltonian evolves independently and the evolution is trivially given by the time-dependent SE (if you know the eigenvalue, it becomes a very simple equation for the coefficient).
Provided that the potential is not also a function of time, right? Of course that will be the case for a very large number of very important problems.
 
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Nugatory said:
Provided that the potential is not also a function of time, right? Of course that will be the case for a very large number of very important problems.

You are right of course, but based on the OP I would say we are dealing with a level where this is the case. It is also true in the adiabatic limit (where the Et in jt's post becomes an integral of E over time).
 
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So say If I'm given for example [itex]\psi_n=\sqrt{\frac{2}{L}}sin(\frac{n\pi x}{L})[/itex] what will [itex]\left\langle \psi_n |\psi \right\rangle[/itex] be?
Is it the same as [itex]\left\langle \psi_n |\psi_n \right\rangle[/itex]
[tex]=\frac{2}{L}\int sin^2(\frac{n\pi x}{L})dx[/tex]

Im not sure if this is turning into a homework help style question or not so please say if I should repost this elsewhere.
 
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oops think that last post is wrong as [itex] \left\langle \psi_n |\psi_n \right\rangle=1[/itex] since the wavefunction is normalized
 
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$$
c_n = \langle \psi_n | \Psi \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \psi_n^*(x) \Psi(x) dx
$$
 
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