How to calculate work done using a graph

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The discussion revolves around calculating work done in the context of engine cycles using a pressure-volume (P-V) graph. Participants are exploring how to determine the area enclosed by the graph to find the work done during the cycles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss whether the work done can be calculated by counting the area within the P-V diagram and question the method of counting squares versus using a formula. There is also consideration of the implications of having only a picture of the graph.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants suggesting methods for counting area and others exploring the implications of the graph's representation. Guidance has been offered regarding the counting of squares and the potential use of tools for measuring area, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach.

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Participants are working with a P-V diagram that is provided only as a picture, which limits the methods available for calculating the area. There is also a discussion about the units of measurement for the work done, emphasizing the relationship between pressure and volume in the context of the problem.

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Can someone please tell me how do i calculate work done in 4 process of engine cycles using a graph?

i drew the p-v graph of an gasoline engine cycle now i don't know how to calculate work done. is it by calculating the area inside or how?

no need of formulas...just using the graph..

WORK DONE USING A GRAPH !
 
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now graphically means do i need to just count the Squares in the closed area or is there any formula to use to find it?
 
How are you given the graph? Just a picture or are you given a formula? If all you have is a picture, the "counting squares is all you can do. If you are given a formula you can integrate over the area or perhaps integrate around the boundary and use Green's Theorem.
 
Thanks hallsofIvy

Just a picture. now becaususe it's a p-v diagram. i got 31 full squares. i didnt count the half squares which are halfed because of the curve. do i need to count them all as well?

and if it's 31 then what is the unit do i have to use for the answer?
 
You should count them all. You could try scanning the image into Photoshop or similar, calibrating the scale of the squares to pixels and then measuring the area. Or you could use a planimeter - that's typically how you would measure it from an indicator diagram from an engine.

As for units, you know that you're looking for the area of a pressure-volume plot. Thus the units of your area should be the same as the units of pressure multiplied by the units of volume. In an MLT system (mass, length, time) your units should be equivalent to:

[tex]ML^{2}T^{-2}[/tex]

or in other words, equivalent to a force times a length, which gives you work.
 

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