How to choose between two labs I like for my dissertation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decision-making process for a first-year PhD student choosing between two potential dissertation labs. Participants explore various factors that could influence this choice, including mentorship styles, project details, and group dynamics.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest gathering insights from current students in the labs to understand their experiences and reasons for their choices.
  • Factors to consider include the mentorship style of the PI, their availability, and the level of collaboration among graduate students.
  • Office space dynamics may impact group interactions and overall experience in the lab.
  • Potential projects should be evaluated for the skills they offer, their transferability to the job market, and opportunities for patenting or commercialization.
  • Understanding the clarity of the project and having contingency plans for unexpected outcomes are deemed important.
  • Participants raise questions about the number of students each PI supervises and the nature of day-to-day supervision, including the role of post-docs.
  • Personal comfort in giving supervisors bad news and the degree of independence expected from the supervisor are also highlighted as considerations.
  • Interactions with other lab members and the success of recent graduates from each lab are mentioned as factors that could influence the decision.
  • Opportunities for current grad students to participate in conferences and competitions are noted as indicators of lab activity and support.
  • Freedom to explore personal research ideas is also considered a significant factor in the decision-making process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of various factors in making the decision, but there is no consensus on which factors are most critical or how to weigh them against each other.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the subjective nature of preferences regarding mentorship styles and group dynamics, as well as the variability in lab environments and project opportunities.

Who May Find This Useful

PhD students facing similar decisions about lab placements, advisors, or dissertation topics may find the insights shared in this discussion relevant.

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I'm a first year PhD student and the program I'm in requires three laboratory rotations. I have finished those and all three of the PI's explicitly said they want me to join their lab. I would consider joining 2/3 of them. I really like both PI's and the work they do (and the work they would let me do) and could see myself being happy in each lab.

I'm not sure what other factors I should be looking into to help me decide. They both have funding to keep me around for the foreseeable future, They're both younger PI's but come from good pedigrees... Any input?
 
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Ask other students who already work in these labs what it's like and why they chose to work there. Maybe you'll hear something that will tip the balance one way or another.
 
Sounds like a tough decision, but that there isn't a wrong answer. I'm assuming you've thought about these things, but here are some factors:

1. Mentorship style of the PI (some people prefer a hands-off approach, others don't)
2. Availability of the PI (are they always travelling?)
3. Level of collaboration between grad students (both within the group, and with other labs)
4. This one sounds silly, but... office space. Some groups have offices that house all of the grad students in the group, whereas others (at least here) have offices that have 2-3 people each in them. In my opinion, this has a pretty big effect on the group dynamic, see #3.
 
Additional things to consider:
  1. Details of the potential projects
    - What skills are you going to pick up on each and how transferrable are they to the working world?
    - Is there an opportunity to patent or commercialize part of the project?
    - How much do you understand about the project and how clear in your mind is the map from where you are now to the completion of a PhD?
    - What are the contingency plans if the project doesn't go the way you're expecting?
  2. Details about the supervisors
    - How many other students do they supervise and how much time will they have to dedicate specifically to you?
    - Will the majority of day-to-day supervision come from a post-doc? How well do you get along with this person?
    - Formal or informal interactions? Which do you prefer and what does each supervisor prefer?
    - Degree of independence. Some supervisors just let their students work and check in occasionally. Others watch their students like hawks. What circumstances do you think will work best for you?
    - How comfortable would you feel if you had to give each supervisor bad news?
  3. Other factors
    - What do you think of the other people you've met in each lab? How well are you likely to work with them?
    - What's happened to recent graduates out of each lab? Are they going into places that you'd like to go?
    - What's happening with current grad students in each lab? Are they going to conferences? Are they participating in young investigator competitions? Are they successful in them?
    - How free are you to explore your own ideas?
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