How to Construct a 1 Degree Arc Using a Given 19 Degree Arc?

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The discussion revolves around the geometric construction of a 1 degree arc using a given 19 degree arc, as presented in an exercise from Kiselev's Geometry. Participants explore various methods of achieving this construction using only a compass, addressing theoretical and practical aspects of angle division.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that since a compass can only divide an angle in half, using a 19 degree arc directly complicates the construction due to fractional angles. They propose creating a 190 degree angle by repeating the 19 degree arc and then halving it multiple times to eventually derive a 1 degree arc.
  • Another participant questions the method of transitioning from 190 degrees to 80 degrees and suggests there might be a simpler way to achieve an 18 degree angle.
  • A different participant proposes constructing a 15 degree angle by dividing a 60 degree angle and then subtracting it from 19 degrees, followed by further divisions.
  • One participant emphasizes that the requirement to use only a compass excludes solutions that involve straightedge constructions, reiterating the need for a pure compass method.
  • Another participant references the Mohr–Mascheroni theorem, which states that constructions can be achieved with a compass alone if they can also be done with a straightedge.
  • A later reply agrees with a previous solution, suggesting that the construction can be achieved by copying the 19 degree arc around the circle using the compass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods for constructing the 1 degree arc, with no consensus reached on a single correct approach. Some methods are challenged based on the requirement to use only a compass, while others propose alternative constructions.

Contextual Notes

Some methods discussed rely on assumptions about the ability to divide angles and the use of repeated arcs, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion also highlights the limitations imposed by the requirement to use only a compass.

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Exercise #27 from a textbook called Kiselev's Geometry / Book I. Planimetry:

Using only compass, construct a 1 degree arc on a circle, if a 19 degree arc of this circle is given.Please, check my reasoning on this one. I just want to make sure that I'm getting it right.

My solution:
Using a pair of compasses, we can only divide an angle in half. So long as we are given a 19 degree arc, we cannot really apply this method because we will end up having angles with fractional parts. But if we take a 19 degree angle 10 times we will get the angle of 190 degrees which we can divide in half and get an 80 degree angle, which in turn divided in half will give us a 40 degree angle, which again divided in half will give us a 20 degree angle. Now we can superimpose this 20 degree angle onto the 19 degree angle, which will give us by subtraction a 1 degree angle, that is a 1 degree arc.
 
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hi mishaark! welcome to pf! :smile:

(have a degree: ° :wink:)
mishaark said:
… we will get the angle of 190 degrees which we can divide in half and get an 80 degree angle …

you haven't actually said how you get from 190° to 80° :wink:

(but isn't there an easy way of getting 18° ?)
 


You can make a 15 degree angle also by dividing a 60 degree angle twice then subtract it from 19. Then divide the remainder twice.
 
coolul007 said:
You can make a 15 degree angle also by dividing a 60 degree angle twice then subtract it from 19. Then divide the remainder twice.

In order to divide angle by 2 required compass and straight, thus none of the solutions above will satisfy condition to use compass only.

My solution is to draw circle with center at the vertex of the angle. Using compass measure chord of 19 degrees and add it to the original chord 18 times the result angle is 19*19 = 361 degrees from original point. The rest is obvious.
 
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According to this Mohr–Mascheroni theorem one can use compass only if compass and straight edge can be constructed.
 
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Alexander Glauberzon said:
In order to divide angle by 2 required compass and straight, thus none of the solutions above will satisfy condition to use compass only.

My solution is to draw circle with center at the vertex of the angle. Using compass measure chord of 19 degrees and add it to the original chord 18 times the result angle is 19*19 = 361 degrees from original point. The rest is obvious.
Yup, I think you have the correct solution. For construction the problem gives you a 19° arc of the circle, so all you have to do is "copy" the arc around the circle with your compass.
 

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