How to create charge from light?

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The discussion revolves around the process of charge creation from light, specifically focusing on the phenomenon of electron-positron pair production from gamma-ray photons. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings of this process, including quantum field theory (QFT) and quantum electrodynamics (QED), while questioning the mechanisms involved and the conditions necessary for such events to occur.

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  • One participant notes that a gamma-ray photon can create an electron-positron pair if its energy exceeds a certain threshold, but seeks a microscopic explanation of the process, questioning the role of electromagnetic wave properties.
  • Another participant asserts that pair production typically requires an external force, often provided by the Coulomb force of a nucleus, and mentions that QED offers a relatively straightforward explanation of the process.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the use of the four-potential in QED, particularly in relation to superposition and external versus self-fields in the context of a Coulomb potential.
  • One participant admits to a lack of awareness of a detailed QFT description that matches the level of inquiry being discussed, explaining that in QFT, fields take on all possible configurations and that electron-positron pair creation occurs frequently throughout space, but exact solutions to QFT are not available.

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Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, with some acknowledging the role of external forces in pair production while others question the adequacy of current theoretical descriptions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the mechanisms involved in charge creation from light.

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Participants highlight limitations in current theoretical frameworks, such as the absence of exact solutions in QFT and the reliance on perturbative expansions, which may not fully capture the complexities of the phenomena being discussed.

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We know that we can create an electron-positron pair out of a gamma-ray, if it has an energy of [tex]E=h\nu>2m_ec^2[/tex].

However a photon is described as an EM-wave that obeys the divergence criteria
[tex]\nabla\cdot\vec{E}=0[/tex]

My question is simply if there is a "simple" explanation out there (QFT?) which describes microscopically what happens when the photon breaks up and 2 charged packages are created? I also wonder what the distance between the particles is in the creation moment.

My guess is that the EM-wave/photon must be disturbed in some way (by gravity?) such that it bends in some way, and that it is this bending which gives rise to the charge creation: [tex]\nabla\cdot\vec{E}=\rho/\epsilon[/tex], but where the total charge is neutral, like in the point-particle classical situation:
[tex]\rho=e(\delta(r-a)-\delta(r+a))[/tex] (some kind of dipole, but perhaps rater described with waves)

Any idea?
 
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Pair production requires an external force, which is usually the Coulomb force of a nucleus.
QED gives a relatively simple explanation.
 
Ok thanks! I'm a little confused still since the four-potential [tex]A_{\mu}[/tex] in the QED-Lagrangian is the self-field. Do you use superposition in the case of a Coulomb potential, like [tex]A_{\mu}=A_{0,ext}(Coulomb)+A_{\mu}(self)[/tex]?
 
Maybe it is just a personal shortcoming, but I am not aware of any QFT description at the level of realistic detail that you are describing.

Just as a particle in QM travels on all possible paths, so does a field in QFT take on all possible configurations. If we treat both the electrons and the vector potential as quantum field excitations (respectively, as a dirac field and a gauge field) then we are to think of the electron-positron pair creation/annihilations as happening super-frequently all over space. But there are no exact solutions to QFT, only perturbative expansions, meaning that we usually only take into account the simplest, and in QED most dominant, modes of creation/anihilation, when calculating the amplitude for some process.

Perhaps with an exact solution to QED it would be possible to give a more meaningful anwer, but at our current level of description these details are unknown to us.
 

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