How to decompose a fourier series

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The discussion revolves around the decomposition of a Fourier series, specifically focusing on the series $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{\sin nx}{n}$. Participants explore the relationship between this series and the original function $f(x)$, as well as the methods for deriving $f(x)$ from the Fourier coefficients.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recognize $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{\sin nx}{n}$ as the sine component of a Fourier series and question how to find the original function $f(x)$ from it.
  • Others suggest looking up known Fourier series to identify $f(x)$, indicating that the original function is given as $f(x) = \frac{1}{2}(\pi - x)$.
  • Some participants express confusion about the relationship between the series and the original function, questioning why $f(x)$ can be represented as the series.
  • There is a discussion about the uniqueness of Fourier series analysis, where it is stated that the coefficients $a_n$ and $b_n$ uniquely determine $f(x)$ and vice versa.
  • Participants mention the possibility of recognizing the original function by sketching the Fourier series or calculating the summation analytically.
  • Some express uncertainty about how to analytically calculate the sum $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{\sin nx}{n}$ and relate it back to the given function.
  • One participant notes that while there are special techniques for calculating the sum, using Fourier series is a valid method to find the result analytically.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the series represents a Fourier series and that the original function is given. However, there is disagreement and uncertainty regarding the methods to derive $f(x)$ from the series and the analytical calculation of the sum.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the difficulty of recognizing $f(x)$ without prior experience or reference materials, indicating a potential limitation in the discussion regarding the accessibility of the techniques discussed.

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Hi, in a section on FS, if I were given $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{Sin nx}{n} $ I can recognize that as the Sin component of a Fourier Series, with $b_n = \frac{1}{n} = \frac{1}{\pi} \int_{0}^{2 \pi}f(x) Sin nx \,dx$

Can I find the original f(x) from this? Differentiating both sides doesn't seem to lead anywhere?
 
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ognik said:
Hi, in a section on FS, if I were given $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{Sin nx}{n} $ I can recognize that as the Sin component of a Fourier Series, with $b_n = \frac{1}{n} = \frac{1}{\pi} \int_{0}^{2 \pi}f(x) Sin nx \,dx$

Can I find the original f(x) from this? Differentiating both sides doesn't seem to lead anywhere?

Hi ognik,

Typically we look it up in a list of known Fourier Series.
 
The exercise that prompted my question said to 'apply the summation technique of this section' (FS) 'to show that

$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{Sin nx}{n} = \frac{1}{2}(\pi-x), 0 \lt x \le \pi; =-\frac{1}{2}(\pi+x), -\pi \le x \lt 0$

I tried differentiating the formula for $b_n$ to find the original f(x), but I don't thank that's going to work?
 
ognik said:
The exercise that prompted my question said to 'apply the summation technique of this section' (FS) 'to show that

$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{Sin nx}{n} = \frac{1}{2}(\pi-x), 0 \lt x \le \pi; =-\frac{1}{2}(\pi+x), -\pi \le x \lt 0$

I tried differentiating the formula for $b_n$ to find the original f(x), but I don't thank that's going to work?

There you go. The original f(x) is already given. $f(x)=\frac 12 (\pi-x)$.
That leaves the verification that $a_n=0$ and $b_n=\frac 1n$.
 
I like Serena said:
The original f(x) is already given. $f(x)=\frac 12 (\pi-x)$.
I know you're right, but I can't see why! If I were told $f(x)=\frac 12 (\pi-x)$ then no problem, but I don't see the relationship in what is written...why is $ f(x)= \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{sin nx}{n} $?
 
ognik said:
I know you're right, but I can't see why! If I were told $f(x)=\frac 12 (\pi-x)$ then no problem, but I don't see the relationship in what is written...why is $ f(x)= \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{sin nx}{n} $?

Fourier series analysis gives us a transformation that works uniquely both ways.
From any function $f(x)$ we can calculate the coefficients $a_n$ and $b_n$, such that
$$f(x) = \frac {a_0}{2} + \sum a_n \cos nx + \sum b_n \sin nx$$
The other way around, those $a_n$ and $b_n$ uniquely determine $f(x)$.
That is:
$$f(x) \leftrightarrow (a_n,b_n)$$

Since it is already given that $ f(x)= \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac 1 n{\sin nx} $, we can conclude that:
$$a_n = \frac 1\pi \int f(x) \cos nx \,dx = 0$$
$$b_n = \frac 1\pi \int f(x) \sin nx \,dx = \frac 1 n$$
The other way around, if those $a_n$ and $b_n$ are given, we know that the series sums up to $f(x)$.
 
Thats where I got to, wrote down the formulae for $a_n$ and $b_n$ with f(x) within them. However, unless I recognized what f(x) must be from previous experience, or looking it up in a table, I couldn't find f(x) from $b_n) analytically?

Are you saying that if I sketched the Fourier series, it would be easy to recognize the original function?
 
ognik said:
Thats where I got to, wrote down the formulae for $a_n$ and $b_n$ with f(x) within them. However, unless I recognized what f(x) must be from previous experience, or looking it up in a table, I couldn't find f(x) from $b_n) analytically?

Are you saying that if I sketched the Fourier series, it would be easy to recognize the original function?

We can do it analytically by calculating the summation.
And yes, by graphing the sum of the first couple of terms, we can also recognize the function.
 
I like Serena said:
We can do it analytically by calculating the summation.
Thanks ILS, but I don't understand how to calculate $ \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{Sin nx}{n} $? I can write out the first few terms but they don't point back to $\frac{1}{2}(\pi - x) $ etc. ?
 
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ognik said:
Thanks ILS, but I don't understand how to calculate $ \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{Sin nx}{n} $? I can write out the first few terms but they don't point back to $\frac{1}{2}(\pi - x) $ etc. ?

Well, I guess it is not an easy sum to find.
There are probably special techniques of doing it, but to be honest, I wouldn't know off the bat how to do it either.
... except with the trick we just used by considering it as a Fourier series, which is a valid way to find the result analytically and it's easy enough to expand $\frac{1}{2}(\pi - x) $ as a Fourier series.
 

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