How to Derive the Hamiltonian for a Two-Particle Harmonic Oscillator?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the Hamiltonian for a two-particle harmonic oscillator, specifically in the context of quantum mechanics. The original poster seeks guidance on how to demonstrate that the Hamiltonian can be expressed as the sum of the individual Hamiltonians for each particle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the formulation of the Hamiltonian and question the assumptions regarding the position and momentum of particles in quantum mechanics. There is a suggestion to write down the total Hamiltonian and investigate its separability into two distinct Hamiltonians.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the formulation of the Hamiltonian. Some guidance has been offered on how to approach the problem, including the use of a trial product wavefunction.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing debate about the interpretation of position and momentum in quantum mechanics, as well as the specific wording of the problem. The context of the problem being in a quantum mechanics textbook is noted, though some participants argue that it may not necessarily be a quantum mechanical problem.

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Two particles are subjected to the same potential [itex]V=\frac{m \omega x^2}{2}[/itex].
Particle one has with position x1 and momentum p1.
Particle two has with position x2 and momentum p2.

The problem asks how to show that the Hamiltonian is [tex]H=H_1+H_2[/tex]

I am assuming that it is asking for a way to derive this relation but I'm not sure where to start from?
 
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I may be being pedantic- but it's not possible to say in QM that a particle has position x and momentum p. Is that really how the question is worded?
 
this problem isn't unnecessarily a quantum mechanical problem, it's just in a QM book
 
indigojoker said:
this problem isn't unnecessarily a quantum mechanical problem, it's just in a QM book

That's a good point.

Well- in any case- write down the total hamiltonian for the system and see if it can be split into two separate hamiltonians.

In the QM case you will need to write psi=psi(x1,x2) and then use a trial product wavefunction psi(x1,x2)=psi(x1)psi(x2)
 
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Do you mean I should start with the Hamiltonian:
[tex]H=\frac{p_1^2}{2m}\frac{p_2^2}{2m}+\frac{m \omega^2 x_1^2}{2}\frac{m \omega^2 x_2^2}{2}[/tex]
 
Yes- except you seem to have missed out the + signs. It's p1^2/2m1 + p2^2/2m2 and
mw^2x1^2/2+mw^2x2^2/2
 
then isn't it trivial to show [tex]H=H_1+H_2[/tex]
 
indigojoker said:
then isn't it trivial to show [tex]H=H_1+H_2[/tex]

Pretty much. What's interesting though is that you can show that if you make the trial substitution psi(x1,x2)=psi(x1)psi(x2) that the total Hamiltonian separates nicely into two separate equations.
 

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