How to Derive the Wave Equations for Photons?

  • Thread starter Thread starter jb646
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Photons Wave
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving wave equations for photons using the relativistic energy-momentum relationship. Participants are exploring the implications of photons being massless and how this relates to their wave properties and the electric field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between the relativistic energy equation and the wave equations for photons. Questions are raised about the validity of the problem setup and the nature of photons as quanta of fields.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants questioning the premise of the problem and suggesting that the approach may not align with established physics regarding photons and electromagnetic fields. There is a mix of attempts to clarify concepts and express confusion about the relevance of certain equations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the applicability of the given equations and the assumptions underlying the problem. The nature of photons and their description in quantum field theory versus classical electrodynamics is under scrutiny.

jb646
Messages
10
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Use the relativistic expression for energy E^2=p^2c^2+(m_0)^2(c)^4 to find a wave equations for photons. Find a solution for ψ and compare to the electric field (hint: photons are massless, E_op=ih(d/dt) and p_op=h/i(d/dx)


Homework Equations


the only equations i know are the ones given in the problem


The Attempt at a Solution


if somebody could please point me in the right direction, i do not have the mental power to understand what i should even try to do first. Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Photons are quanta of fields, it doesn't really work the way your problem suggests.

The differential equation for the quantized electromagnetic field is obtained by applying a canonical quantization* to the classical electrodynamic equation for the one-forms describing the field at a classical level.

* very tricky issue.
 
jb646 said:

Homework Statement


Use the relativistic expression for energy E^2=p^2c^2+(m_0)^2(c)^4 to find a wave equations for photons. Find a solution for ψ and compare to the electric field (hint: photons are massless, E_op=ih(d/dt) and p_op=h/i(d/dx)


Homework Equations


the only equations i know are the ones given in the problem


The Attempt at a Solution


if somebody could please point me in the right direction, i do not have the mental power to understand what i should even try to do first. Thanks for any help you can provide.
Okay, if E_op=ih(d/dt), then what would E_op2 be?

bigubau said:
Photons are quanta of fields, it doesn't really work the way your problem suggests.

The differential equation for the quantized electromagnetic field is obtained by applying a canonical quantization* to the classical electrodynamic equation for the one-forms describing the field at a classical level.

* very tricky issue.
I fail to see how that is helpful.
 
Redbelly98 said:
I fail to see how that is helpful.

The problem is wrong. The photon has no wave equation. The electric field has a field equation, but in the classical sense, as it can be deduced from Maxwell's equations (for simplicity, in vacuum).
 

Similar threads

Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
3K