How to Derive Velocity from Newton's Second Law?

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The discussion revolves around deriving velocity from Newton's Second Law, specifically in the context of a problem involving the motion of atoms using a Zeeman slower. Participants are exploring the relationship between acceleration, velocity, and position, as well as the integration process involved in deriving these quantities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the integration of acceleration to find velocity and question the constant of integration. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of variables such as z and z_{max}, and how they relate to the problem at hand.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance and asking for clarification on the context of the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of different constants of integration and how they can be defined based on initial conditions or specific points in the motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the physical setup, including the definitions of z and z_{max}, which are crucial for interpreting the equations correctly. There is acknowledgment of the need for more context to fully grasp the assumptions being made about acceleration.

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Hi

In a book they state
[tex] \frac{dv}{dt} = a \quad \Rightarrow \quad v(z) = \sqrt{2a(z-z_{max})}[/tex]
I am trying to reproduce this. Here is what I have so far:

dv/dt = (dv/dz)(dz/dt) = v(dv/dz) = a

Since a is constant (I assume?), I get
[tex] \int vdv = \int adz \quad \Rightarrow\quad \frac{1}{2}v^2 + C = az [/tex]
Here C denotes a constant. What should I do from here?Niles.
 
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what is z?

if [itex]\frac{dv}{dt} = a[/itex] then [itex]\int dv = \int a\ dt \ \rightarrow v = \int a\ dt[/itex]
 
Hi Niles! :smile:
Niles said:
[tex] \frac{dv}{dt} = a \quad \Rightarrow \quad v(z) = \sqrt{2a(z-z_{max})}[/tex]
I am trying to reproduce this.
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[tex] \frac{1}{2}v^2 + C = az [/tex]
Here C denotes a constant. What should I do from here?

erm :wink:

you're there! :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Niles! :smile:


erm :wink:

you're there! :smile:

Thanks. But how is it seen that C=2azmax?
 
Niles said:
Thanks. But how is it seen that C=2azmax?

You really might want to give us a lot more context on what you're doing. What is z? What is [itex]z_{max}[/itex]? If you tell us what the problem is, we can even tell you if the acceleration is constant.
 
It is from a book on how to slow atoms with a Zeeman slower. Here [itex]z[/itex] is the coordinate (longitudinal, along the magnetic field), and [itex]z_{max}[/itex] I believe is the longitudinal coordinate, where the velocity is zero. Sorry, I should have stated that at first.
 
Hi Niles! :smile:
Niles said:
Thanks. But how is it seen that C=2azmax?

Niles said:
… [itex]z_{max}[/itex] I believe is the longitudinal coordinate, where the velocity is zero.

v= 0 when z = zmax, so C = azmax :wink:

(the "2" would be for a different C)
 
Thanks. It is very kind of all of you to help me.Niles.
 
Is it correct that there are other ways to define C? E.g. as the initial velocity? In that case I would say that when z=0, then C=-0.5v2initial, so I get
[tex] 2az = v^2 - v^2_{initial}[/tex]
 
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Yes, C can be anything, and can be re-named later.

We often get C in an integration, then we tidy it up, and we find we have something awkward like 2π/C …

so we call that C (or vo or zo) instead! :wink:

(in this case, I think it was C/2)
 

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