How to Destroy a Deadly Virus - Labs & Treatment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for destroying a deadly virus in laboratory settings, including the types of agents and techniques used for virus inactivation. Participants explore various chemical and physical methods, as well as safety protocols in handling such viruses.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the method of virus destruction depends on the virus type (e.g., enveloped vs. non-enveloped, RNA vs. DNA).
  • Various viricidal agents are mentioned, including 70% ethanol, isopropanol, iodine, chlorine, sodium hydroxide, sodium hypochlorite, and quaternary ammonium compounds.
  • Heat, specifically through autoclaving, is discussed as an effective method for inactivating viruses, with some participants sharing personal experiences from their lab work.
  • There is a discussion about the use of chemical virucides in conjunction with autoclaving for safety, especially when handling more dangerous virus strains.
  • One participant questions the effectiveness of ammonia as a virucide, suggesting it is more antibacterial, while others clarify its role in water treatment processes.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety and knowledge of companies handling dangerous viruses, particularly in relation to the distribution of test kits.
  • Some participants express curiosity about the logistics and requirements for working with BSL4 pathogens, including safety equipment and regulatory compliance.
  • Humorous hypothetical scenarios are presented regarding the challenges of conducting research in isolated settings, such as international waters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of using proper methods for virus destruction, but there are multiple competing views regarding the effectiveness of specific agents and techniques. The discussion remains unresolved on certain points, particularly regarding the role of ammonia and the safety protocols in various laboratory settings.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the effectiveness of certain chemicals as virucides and the implications of mixing different substances, indicating a need for further clarification on these topics.

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That would make sense. Do you know the maximum temperature that plastic can withstand before melting?

What other kinds of viruscides are there?
 
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misskitty said:
That would make sense. Do you know the maximum temperature that plastic can withstand before melting?

for autoclaving, the instruction says not to excede 125C. The bag will sometimes melt if it is strech.

Nalgene as some technical data

Specific Plastic Considerations

Polypropylene, polymethylpentene, polypropylene copolymer, TEFZEL ETFE, TEFLON FEP, and PFA may be autoclaved repeatedly at 121°C, 15 psig. Cycles should be at least 15 minutes to ensure sterility.

Polycarbonate products are autoclavable. They must be thoroughly rinsed before autoclaving because detergent residues cause crazing and spotting. Autoclaving cycles should be limited to 20 minutes at 121°C. PC shows some loss of mechanical strength after repeated autoclaving and therefore may not function well under high-stress applications, such as centrifugation. Our PC vacuum chambers are considered "not autoclavable" for this reason.

Do not use strong alkaline detergents on polycarbonate. Do not use boiler steam containing alkaline chemical additives that may attack the plastic and cause the item to fail.

Acetal products are autoclavable at recommended settings. Proper ventilation is required as acetal will emit formaldehyde odor during autoclaving. The following statement complies with the California Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986: "WARNING: Upon autoclaving, this product may release formaldehyde, a chemical known to the State of California as a carcinogen."

Polysulfone products are autoclavable. They are somewhat weakened by repeated autoclaving, although less than polycarbonate. If autoclaved repeatedly, polysulfone products will eventually fail under high-stress applications, such as high-speed centrifugation.

NALGENE PVC Tubing can be autoclaved, but ethylene oxide or chemical disinfectant is preferred. If you autoclave it, follow these guidelines:

Clean and rinse tubing thoroughly, including final rinse with distilled or deionized water. Coil tubing loosely and keep ends open. Wrap in muslin or linen; tape or tie loosely. Place on a nonmetallic tray in the autoclave so wrapped tubing is not touching wall or rack of autoclave. Do not stack anything on the tubing. Use 15 minute cycle at 121°C, 15 psig. Restore clarity of tubing by drying approximately 2 hours at a temperature no higher than 75°C.

NALGENE Silicone Tubing can be autoclaved for 30 minutes at 121C, 15 psig in muslin cloth or sterilizing paper.

Labware made of the following plastics is not autoclavable under any conditions: polystyrene, polyvinyl chloride (except PVC tubing), styrene acrylonitrile, acrylic, low-density and high-density polyethylene and polyurethane.

http://www.nalgenepackaging.com/techdata/care/steril-autoclaving.asp

misskitty said:
What other kinds of viruscides are there?

The one I list are the commonly one that I knew on top of my head. Some virus are sensitive to UV light and for example will not survive in the sun outside any biological fluid.
 

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