How to Determine a Photon's Wavefunction After it Collapses?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a photon's wavefunction after it collapses upon measurement, specifically focusing on how to calculate the wavefunction's evolution over time and the implications of different physical constants. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, mathematical formulations, and practical considerations related to photon measurement and wavefunction dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that after measuring a photon's position, the wavefunction collapses and subsequently spreads out over time, but questions how to calculate the rate of this spreading.
  • Another participant explains that the evolution of the wavefunction depends on its initial shape at the time of collapse and provides a mathematical framework involving Fourier transforms to describe this evolution.
  • There is a query about how the equations would change if the constants ##\hbar## and c are not equal to 1, and if ##\omega({\bf q})## differs from ##\sqrt{{\bf q}^2}##.
  • A later reply notes that finding the wavefunction after collapse is complex and depends on the measuring apparatus, suggesting that most photon detectors typically destroy the photon.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of using classical electromagnetic waves to describe photon behavior, citing an example involving coherent photons from a laser and their interaction with a slit to illustrate the uncertainty in the photon's velocity post-measurement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods for calculating the wavefunction after collapse and the implications of measurement techniques. There is no consensus on how to approach the problem or the specifics of the equations involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of measuring photons and the limitations of current understanding regarding the wavefunction's behavior post-collapse, particularly in relation to the specifics of measurement apparatus and the nature of the wavefunction itself.

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How would one determine the spread of photon wavefunction after it has been collapsed?
Suppose one measures the position of a photon without destroying it. From my understanding, the wavefunction of the photon should collapse, and will return to a more spread out state over time. How would one calculate this, specifically the rate at which the wavefunction spreads out from the center?
 
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It depends on the exact shape of the wave function ##\psi({\bf x}, t_0)## at the time ##t_0## of collapse. Assuming that you know it, you first compute its Fourier transform ##\tilde{\psi}({\bf q})## to write this wave function as
$$\psi({\bf x}, t_0)=\int d^3q\, \tilde{\psi}({\bf q}) e^{i{\bf q}\cdot{\bf x}}$$
Then the wave function at later times ##t## is given by
$$\psi({\bf x}, t)=\int d^3q\, \tilde{\psi}({\bf q}) e^{-i\omega({\bf q})(t-t_0)} e^{i{\bf q}\cdot{\bf x}}$$
where ##\omega({\bf q})=\sqrt{{\bf q}^2}## and I use units ##\hbar=c=1##.
 
Demystifier said:
It depends on the exact shape of the wave function ##\psi({\bf x}, t_0)## at the time ##t_0## of collapse. Assuming that you know it, you first compute its Fourier transform ##\tilde{\psi}({\bf q})## to write this wave function as
$$\psi({\bf x}, t_0)=\int d^3q\, \tilde{\psi}({\bf q}) e^{i{\bf q}\cdot{\bf x}}$$
Then the wave function at later times ##t## is given by
$$\psi({\bf x}, t)=\int d^3q\, \tilde{\psi}({\bf q}) e^{-i\omega({\bf q})(t-t_0)} e^{i{\bf q}\cdot{\bf x}}$$
where ##\omega({\bf q})=\sqrt{{\bf q}^2}## and I use units ##\hbar=c=1##.
Thanks. If I understand this correctly, I would need to Fourier transform the wavefunction, then plug it into the bottom equation at ##\tilde{\psi}({\bf q})##, correct? How might the equations change if ##\hbar## and c are not equal to 1 and ##\omega({\bf q})## is not equal to ##\sqrt{{\bf q}^2}##?

Also how would I find the wavefunction after it collapses? I think I would need to use one of Maxwell's equations, but I'm not sure which one or how to go about it.
 
Flamel said:
Thanks. If I understand this correctly, I would need to Fourier transform the wavefunction, then plug it into the bottom equation at ##\tilde{\psi}({\bf q})##, correct?
Yes.

Flamel said:
How might the equations change if ##\hbar## and c are not equal to 1 and ##\omega({\bf q})## is not equal to ##\sqrt{{\bf q}^2}##?
That's left as an exercise for the reader. 😉

Flamel said:
Also how would I find the wavefunction after it collapses? I think I would need to use one of Maxwell's equations, but I'm not sure which one or how to go about it.
There is no simple way to find this, because it depends on details of the measuring apparatus. Note also that most photon detectors do destroy the photon, so your initial task makes more sense for electrons. For practical purposes, you can model your wave function after the collapse as a narrow Gaussian.
 
You can calculate the wave using classical electromagnetic waves. A photon is an energy quantum of that classical wave.

An example: a flux of coherent photons from a laser meets a narrow slit. The slit corresponds to measuring the x coordinate of a photon quite precisely.

The diffraction pattern of the electromagnetic wave tells you how the photon proceeds. Its velocity in the x direction has afterwards a large uncertainty and the diffraction pattern is very wide.
 

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