How to pick an operator onto which the wavefunction collapses

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The discussion centers on the mechanisms by which a wavefunction collapses into an eigenstate of a specific operator during a measurement, particularly focusing on why a measurement yields an energy eigenstate rather than other properties like position or momentum. The scope includes theoretical considerations and foundational principles in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the criteria that determine which operator is selected for measurement, specifically questioning how a measurement can yield an energy eigenstate instead of other observables.
  • Another participant suggests that the physical configuration of the measuring device plays a role in determining the observable being measured.
  • A further response emphasizes the importance of entanglement between the measurement apparatus and the particle being studied, indicating a desire for a more detailed explanation of this relationship.
  • One participant notes that the reasoning behind why an instrument measures energy can seem circular, as it relies on the instrument's known behavior when measuring energy eigenstates.
  • Another perspective suggests that defining how to make a position measurement can provide insight into how other measurements, including energy measurements, can be structured.
  • A participant expresses interest in references that discuss the arrangement of energy measurements for bound electrons, indicating a desire for more concrete examples or frameworks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of measurement and the role of the measuring apparatus, with no consensus reached on the underlying principles governing the selection of observables during wavefunction collapse.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on the assumptions underlying the measurement process and the definitions of observables, as well as unresolved details regarding the mathematical treatment of the measurement apparatus and its interaction with the quantum system.

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Imagine a system of 1 particle in a superposition of eigenstates of some operator(s). If one were to make a measurement of a property of that particle, how is the operator (or observable) "picked" so that the wavefunction collapses into an eigenstate of said operator? In other words, how do one make the wavefunction collapse into say an energy eigenstate as opposed to a position eigenstate? I already know that it's by "measuring the energy of the particle", this is not what I am asking. I am asking what makes the measurement measuring the energy instead of other properties, in that case.

Another concrete example would be a Bloch electron in a solid. Atoms in the lattice are constantly measuring its energy, I think, and never its momentum nor position. I'd like to derive this fact from first principle. And then move on to Cooper pairs, etc. (where I am not sure, but I think the lattice still constantly measure the energies of Cooper pairs, but I'd like to derive it from first principles).
 
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fluidistic said:
I am asking what makes the measurement measuring the energy instead of other properties

The physical configuration of the measuring device.
 
I'm still expecting a more elaborate answer. One that deals with entanglement between the measurement apparatus and the studied particle, for instance.
 
fluidistic said:
I already know that it's by "measuring the energy of the particle", this is not what I am asking. I am asking what makes the measurement measuring the energy instead of other properties, in that case.

The answer involves some sort of circular reasoning. We know an instrument measures energy, if on an energy eigenstate, it produces the definite energy of the state. More generally, we know an instrument measures energy, if it produces results distributed according to the Born rule for the energy measurement.

Another way to answer the question that may seem less circular is to say that we only know need to define how to make a position measurement. For all other things, we know how to prepare the initial quantum state of the instrument, and to write the Hamiltonian for the combined system and instrument. If we make a position measurement on the instrument (eg. the position of the pointer on the instrument), then it is equivalent to making a measurement on the quantum system being measured. To make an energy measurement, we can arrange the initial state and Hamiltonian of the instrument such that the position readings are distributed according to the Born rule for energy measurements on the quantum system being measured.
 
It might be worthy to aks yourself how to determine which observable / property of a classical system a given measurement apparatus measues.
 
atyy said:
To make an energy measurement, we can arrange [...]
? I'd like to know a reference discussing how to arrange an energy measurement of a bound electron, say.
 

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