How to Determine Capacitance with Variable Dielectric Dimensions?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the capacitance of a system with variable dielectric dimensions. The original poster presents equations related to electric fields and capacitance but expresses difficulty in arriving at a solution despite significant effort.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the volume of the dielectric and its implications for the problem, questioning how to utilize the constant volume in calculations. There is also a consideration of different shapes the dielectric can take while maintaining the same volume.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the dimensions and shapes of the dielectric. The original poster indicates a breakthrough in understanding but has not yet confirmed a final solution.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of constraints related to the dimensions of the dielectric and the need for consistency in the area calculations. The original poster reflects on their earlier assumptions about the area of the dielectric, suggesting a reconsideration of these dimensions.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


\int\vec{E}\cdot\vec{dA}=\frac{Q_{enc}}{\epsilon_{0}}
\int\vec{E}\cdot\vec{dA}=\frac{Q_{enc}}{k\epsilon_{0}}
V=\int\vec{E}\cdot\vec{dS}
C=\frac{q}{V}
C_{eq}=C_{1}+C_{2}+...
\frac{1}{C_{eq}}=\frac{1}{C_{1}}+\frac{1}{C_{2}}+...


The Attempt at a Solution


I didn't want to do the calculations in itex because it would take forever, but this is what i have so far. I just did the integrations quickly and went straight to the point and put in the equations.
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With the answer that I get I can't seem to get the answer. I have spent a lot of hours on this problem and it took me a while to figure out the proper areas and dimensions, but even after all that I am stuck. What is my problem? I have a feeling it has to do with the 4h^2 (it's not the right dimensions for the dielectric area).

Thanks
 
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The volume of the dielectric is L*L*L/2 and is a constant? Where do you use this fact? I apologize if the answer is obvious.
 


Spinnor said:
The volume of the dielectric is L*L*L/2 and is a constant? Where do you use this fact? I apologize if the answer is obvious.

The volume of \frac{L^{3}}{2} is the total volume of the dielectric, but you can change the dimensions of the dielectric as long as long as l=w. For example, you can say that the dielectric is now \frac{L}{8}, 2L and 2L because the volume is still the same. You have to account for all the possible shapes that this dielectric can take.

edit:Imagine there's a piece of clay in between the capacitors, this will be the dielectric. You can shape the clay however you want and it will still have constant volume, just different dimensions. In this case though the clay would have to be a cubic shape, the two dimensions equal to each other.
 
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I think I have figured it out, my mind is racing. Will update if I figure it out.
 


So i finally solved it, this is how I am feeling right now.
[PLAIN]http://r3dsky.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/1302819681876.jpg

This problem took me so long to figure out, I'm glad the torture is finally over.It says:
We know that the area is constant for the dielectric(for the square side, not the thickness, l=w). My initial thoughts of the area being 4h^2 was incorrect because h could be << than l and w, therefore I thought that the area could be described with a function:
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