How to determine enthelpy of formation

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The discussion revolves around the determination of enthalpy of formation for various compounds, exploring both theoretical and experimental methods for calculating these values. Participants express curiosity about the discrepancies in values found in sources like Wikipedia and seek clarity on how these values are derived.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes varying values for enthalpy of formation from Wikipedia and expresses a desire to understand how these values are determined.
  • Another participant suggests that bond formation energies can be used to estimate enthalpies of formation, though they caution that the results are not very precise.
  • A follow-up question asks for clarification on how to estimate using bond formation energy and the expected level of imprecision, seeking a quantitative range.
  • A participant responds that the imprecision is typically in the range of tens of percent.
  • Additionally, some enthalpies can be measured using calorimetry, and a precise method mentioned involves the van't Hoff equation, which relates changes in electric potentials of electrolytic cells to temperature changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for determining enthalpy of formation, as multiple approaches are discussed, each with its own limitations and levels of precision.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the accuracy of bond formation energy estimates and the conditions under which calorimetric measurements can be applied. There is also a lack of clarity on the specific reference materials available for these calculations.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and researchers in chemistry, particularly those exploring thermodynamics and reaction energetics.

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Background:
I've seen many different values for enthalpy of formation on Wikipedia, such as the following: MgO: -602 kJ·mol−1, Fe2O3: -826 kJ·mol−1, NO: 90.29 kJ·mol−1.

I'm curious about these values, but I have no idea how they were determined and I've only taken an introductory course in chemistry. However, my understanding is that these values can be used to determine (or at least estimate) how much energy will be released (or consumed) by a chemical process which converts one set of compounds into another.

Question:
Is it possible to calculate the enthalpy of formation for a given compound, or is it only possible to determine that based on an experiment? If so, are there any good, free reference materials for that kind of information?
 
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You can try to estimate them using bond formation energies, but the result is never very precise.
 
Okay. How do I estimate using bond formation energy? Also, how imprecise are you talking about? ±50%? An order of magnitude? More?
 
Some enthalpies can be obtained by measuring heat in a calorimeter. A very precise way to determine enthalpies is via the van't Hoff equation e.g. from the change of electric potentials of electrolytic cells with temperature.
 

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