How to determine the power of a rotary lobe pump?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on determining the power requirements for a rotary lobe pump, including how to select an appropriate motor. Participants explore various methods for calculating power needs based on flow rate, pressure, and system requirements, while also considering factors such as fluid viscosity and pump efficiency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests measuring energy usage from the electric meter to estimate pump power needs.
  • Another participant discusses the importance of calculating the maximum flow rate and pressure based on system requirements, and outlines a step-by-step approach for pump and motor selection.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of rotary lobe pumps compared to centrifugal pumps, with calculations provided to illustrate potential power requirements.
  • Some participants mention the impact of fluid viscosity and slip on power requirements, noting that these factors can lead to increased power needs over time.
  • There is a suggestion that oversizing the pump and motor could be a viable strategy, especially in scenarios where budget constraints are less of a concern.
  • Questions are posed about the specific application, including the type of fluid being pumped and the pump's specifications, which are critical for determining power requirements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the best methods for determining pump power needs, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the importance of considering system requirements and efficiency, while others highlight the variability introduced by factors like fluid properties and operational conditions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific pump characteristics, fluid properties, and system configurations, which are not fully defined in the discussion. Additionally, the calculations and assumptions presented may vary significantly based on individual circumstances.

Who May Find This Useful

Engineers and technicians involved in pump selection and system design, particularly in industries where rotary lobe pumps are utilized, may find this discussion relevant.

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Is there any method to measure the power of the pump?
Want to know how to get the actual power the pump needs.
I can measure the flow rate by the flow meter and count the revolutions of the pump.
But selecting the proper motor for the pump would be a problem.
So I want to know how to determine the power of the rotary lobe pump and generate the graph like below.
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Have you considered looking at the energy you used on the electric meter that supplies your electricity?
 
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Dr_Nate said:
Have you considered looking at the energy you used on the electric meter that supplies your electricity?
My guess is that there is a pump but no motor. And perhaps the lower figure isn't available for that particular pump either ...

From the lower figure one could deduce a typical efficiency for that type of pump by looking at ##\Delta pV##

Which comes out pretty low -- but I'm used to centrifugal pumps. E.g: 1200/min at 6 Barg outlet pressure would be 2700 x 10-3m3/min / 60 s/min * 6 x 105N/m2 = 270 Nm/s while the lower plot shows 800 W, so around 1/3. The motor/gearbox efficiency will be over 90% , so a 1 kW motor should be adequate for that throughput. Careful calculations are in order, since the world is full of overdimensioned pump motors that waste a lot of energy money.​
 
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Minghan said:
Want to know how to get the actual power the pump needs.
I can measure the flow rate by the flow meter and count the revolutions of the pump.
But selecting the proper motor for the pump would be a problem.
So I want to know how to determine the power of the rotary lobe pump and generate the graph like below.

Pump and motor selection starts from the system requirements, which are specified first. This can be challenging at times, but you can usually figure out the maximum flow rate by a system mass balance, and the pressure by calculating the line loss.

Step 1: Determine the required maximum flow rate and maximum pressure.
Step 2: Select a pump that delivers that flow rate at that pressure.
Step 3: Read the pump RPM from the pump curve.
Step 4: Select the motor RPM and reducer gear ratio.
Step 5: Read the motor power from the pump curve.
Step 6: Add a safety factor to the motor size. If the motor size from the pump curve is 0.5 kW, then select a 0.75 KW motor.

If you have absolutely no clue about pressure and flow, and a large budget, there is another option. Oversize the pump and motor, then add a variable frequency drive. This is a good option if management is saying "we don't care what it costs, just make it work".
 
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jrmichler said:
This is a good option if management is saying "we don't care what it costs, just make it work".
That will be the day! I'm sure I never heard that particular statement from management.
 
It's fairly common in a paper mill, especially in a case where the first pump installed by the engineer did not do the job. And yes, I have been there and done that.
 
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I don't know what you're pumping, but:

a couple of considerations:

The viscosity of the fluid is important. Note that viscosity varies with temperature.
All lobe pumps have some fluid slip. Fluid slip causes extra wear. Extra wear causes more slip. You're probably going to see an increase in your power requirement over time (assuming that you maintain a fixed PV requirement).

'Over Sizing' the pump/motor is not a bad idea.
 
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Dr.D said:
That will be the day! I'm sure I never heard that particular statement from management.
They probably phrase it as "Just shut up and do it." 😉

But yes, suppose you have million dollar project. You don't want to waste 2 man months calculating whether you need a $2000 motor or a $1000 motor. That's the same as money is no object.
 
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The application will decide the motor speed and power required.
What fluid will be pumped?
What is the maximum required flow rate and pressure?

What is the displacement per revolution?
What information is written on the pump, make, model, capacity?
What is the diameter of the pump input shaft? That indicates maximum torque.
 
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