How to determine whether an integral is convergent or divergent

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The discussion revolves around determining the convergence or divergence of specific integrals, particularly focusing on the integral $\int_{0}^{9} \ \frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{x-1}}\,dx$ and the integral $\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \ \cos\left({\pi t}\right)\,dt$. Participants explore methods for evaluating these integrals and the conditions under which they converge or diverge.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the first integral's domain excludes $x=1$, suggesting the need to evaluate the limit as $x$ approaches 1 to determine convergence.
  • There is uncertainty expressed by participants regarding their understanding of limits and how to apply them in this context.
  • Participants discuss breaking the integral into two parts to evaluate it more easily, using properties of definite integrals.
  • One participant proposes a formula for evaluating the integral, but later expresses confusion regarding the results obtained from their calculations.
  • Another participant questions whether it would have been simpler to work directly with the original integrand after establishing convergence.
  • For the second integral, participants consider the existence of limits of trigonometric functions as $x$ approaches infinity to assess convergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the methods for evaluating the integrals or the implications of their findings regarding convergence. There are multiple competing views on how to approach the problem, and uncertainty remains about the calculations and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of limits and integration techniques, which may affect their ability to evaluate the integrals correctly. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the behavior of the integrands near critical points.

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Determine whether the integral is convergent or divergent. Evaluate those that are convergent.

$\int_{0}^{9} \ \frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{x-1}},dx$

$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \ \cos\left({\pi t}\right),dt$

how do i determine whether it's conver/diver?
 
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Let's look at the first one...the domain of the integrand excludes $x=1$, and so it would be wise to look at:

$$\int_a^1 (x-1)^{-\frac{1}{3}}\,dx$$

To see if this converges, we could look at the limit:

$$\lim_{t\to1}\left[\int_a^t (x-1)^{-\frac{1}{3}}\,dx\right]$$

Does this limit exist, and if so, what is its value?
 
I don't really know. I haven't done limits in a loooong time. I'll have to go over them once more.
 
ineedhelpnow said:
I don't really know. I haven't done limits in a loooong time. I'll have to go over them once more.

Start by evaluating the integral with $t$ and see what you get. Then take the limit. Maybe the answer will become clearer after you integrate.
 
is it $\frac{-3(a-1)^{2/3}}{2}$ ?
 
ineedhelpnow said:
is it $\frac{-3(a-1)^{2/3}}{2}$ ?

Indeed it is! :D

So, how can you use your formula to find the value of the integral in the first problem?
 
that... :confused: i do not know
 
ineedhelpnow said:
that... :confused: i do not know

Suppose we have:

$$a<k<b$$ and $f(x)$ is integrable on $[a,b]$.

A wonderful property of definite integrals is that:

$$\int_{a}^{b} f(x)\,dx=\int_{a}^{k} f(x)\,dx+\int_{k}^{b} f(x)\,dx$$

Another identity you may need is:

$$\int_{a}^{b} f(x)\,dx=-\int_{b}^{a} f(x)\,dx$$

Can you put these together now to evaluate the first integral?
 
$\int_{0}^{1} \ \frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{x-1}},dx + \int_{1}^{9} \ \frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{x-1}},dx$

is the set up correct?
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
$\int_{0}^{1} \ \frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{x-1}},dx + \int_{1}^{9} \ \frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{x-1}},dx$

is the set up correct?

Yes, good! Now apply the second identity I gave so that the second integral also has 1 as the upper limit. :D
 
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$$\int_{0}^{1} \ \frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{x-1}}dx - \int_{9}^{1} \ \frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{x-1}} dx$$

$$=[\frac{3 (x-1)^{2/3}}{2}]^{1}_{0} - [\frac{3 (x-1)^{2/3}}{2}]^{1}_{9}$$

$$=(0-\frac{3}{2} (-1)^{2/3}) - (0-\frac{3}{2} (8)^{2/3})$$

$$=\frac{21}{4}-\frac{3\sqrt{3}}{4}$$

i think i made a mistake with the first part of my answer. my calculator is giving me -21 instead of 21
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
$\int_{0}^{1} \ \frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{x-1}},dx - \int_{9}^{1} \ \frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{x-1}} ,dx$

$=[\frac{3 (x-1)^{2/3}}{2}]^{1}_{0} - [\frac{3 (x-1)^{2/3}}{2}]^{1}_{9}$

$=(0-\frac{3}{2} (-1)^{2/3}) - (0-\frac{3}{2} (8)^{2/3})$

$=\frac{21}{4}-\frac{3\sqrt{3}}{4}$

i think i made a mistake with the first part of my answer. my calculator is giving me -21 instead of 21

You really only need to plug into your formula:

$$I=-\frac{3}{2}\left((0-1)^{\frac{2}{3}}-(9-1)^{\frac{2}{3}}\right)=-\frac{3}{2}\left(1-4\right)=\frac{9}{2}$$
 
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after you found that the integral was convergent wouldn't it have been the same to just work on the original integrand that was given in the first place?
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
after you found that the integral was convergent wouldn't it have been the same to just work on the original integrand that was given in the first place?

Yes, but why integrate all over again?
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
Determine whether the integral is convergent or divergent. Evaluate those that are convergent.

$\int_{0}^{9} \ \frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{x-1}},dx$

$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \ \cos\left({\pi t}\right),dt$

how do i determine whether it's conver/diver?

For the second one, do these limits exist? $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \lim_{x \to \infty} \cos{(x)} \end{align*}$ and $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \lim_{x \to \infty} \sin{(x)} \end{align*}$
 

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