How to evaluate the following multivariable limit?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating multivariable limits, specifically focusing on the limits as (x,y) approaches (0,0) for two functions. The first function involves a limit that appears to approach infinity along certain paths, while the second function is analyzed using the Sandwich Theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various paths to evaluate the limit of the first function, questioning whether the limit exists or is path-dependent. They discuss the implications of using L'Hopital's rule and the validity of their approaches.
  • For the second function, participants consider the conditions for applying the Sandwich Theorem and the challenges of finding appropriate bounding functions. They also discuss the implications of adding a negative scalar to the denominator.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on the limits and questioning their assumptions. Some participants have offered insights into the behavior of the functions along specific paths, while others are exploring the implications of their findings without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the epsilon-delta definition of limits is beyond the scope of their course, which influences their approach to the problem. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the application of L'Hopital's rule and the behavior of the functions along different axes.

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Homework Statement



lim (x,y)->(0,0) (cos(x) - 1 + (x^2/2)) / ( x^4 + y^4)

The Attempt at a Solution



Am I correct in assuming that I have to solve by looking for a path where the limit doesn't exist/is different to another path (given that the epsilon thing is beyond the scope of the course)?

I've tried finding it along the path y=0, x=0 and y=kx, and every time I've found it approaches infinity. Not sure if I've done anything wrong or not, but looking at a graph of the function, it looks like approaches along the y=0 and x=0 lines should give me different limits (according to the answer, the limit does not exist at 0,0).

Any help?

Homework Statement



OK, I'm fairly sure I've gotten the above question right, but am stuck on another.

Find the limit of the following function using the Sandwich Theorem:
f(x,y) = (7x^2y^2)/(x^2 + 2y^4) as (x,y)->(0,0)

How would we go about it? Seeing as all terms are non-negative, zero will always be =<, but how about finding an function that's >= and also simpler to solve?

You couldn't multiple/divide it by a function of x and/or y, because it'd make it larger or smaller depending on if x and/or y were smaller or greater than zero, correct? And adding a function of x and/or y wouldn't make it any easier to solve...

Would it be possible to just add a negative scalar (e.g. -1) to the denominator, then substitute (x,y)=(0,0) to evaluate the limit? That way, you'd have a non-zero denominator and as both numerator and denominator are continuous, it'd be very simple to solve.

0 =< f(x,y) =< (7x^2y^2)/(x^2 + 2y^4 - 1)
lim 0 =< lim f(x,y) =< lim (7x^2y^2)/(x^2 + 2y^4 - 1)
Therefore, lim f(x,y) = 0.

Seems too simple, though. Am I missing something or is it a legitimate approach?
 
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Hmmm...thinking further on the question, would the substitution y=kx have a limit of zero, not infinity?

Making the substitution, I get:
(cos(kx) - 1 + (x^2/2)) / ( x^4 + (kx)^4)

Are we allowed to use L'Hopital's? If so:
(k^4*cos(kx))/(24 + 24k^4). Sub x=0 gives:
k^4/(24(1+k^4), which is a varying limit depending on what value of k you use.

Does the above make sense?
 
OK, I'm fairly sure I've gotten the above question right, but am stuck on another.

Find the limit of the following function using the Sandwich Theorem:
f(x,y) = (7x^2y^2)/(x^2 + 2y^4) as (x,y)->(0,0)

How would we go about it? Seeing as all terms are non-negative, zero will always be =<, but how about finding an function that's >= and also simpler to solve?

You couldn't multiple/divide it by a function of x and/or y, because it'd make it larger or smaller depending on if x and/or y were smaller or greater than zero, correct? And adding a function of x and/or y wouldn't make it any easier to solve...

Would it be possible to just add a negative scalar (e.g. -1) to the denominator, then substitute (x,y)=(0,0) to evaluate the limit? That way, you'd have a non-zero denominator and as both numerator and denominator are continuous, it'd be very simple to solve.

0 =< f(x,y) =< (7x^2y^2)/(x^2 + 2y^4 - 1)
lim 0 =< lim f(x,y) =< lim (7x^2y^2)/(x^2 + 2y^4 - 1)
Therefore, lim f(x,y) = 0.

Seems too simple, though. Am I missing something or is it a legitimate approach?
 
what happens if x=0. i.e. if we approach the point (0,0) along the y-axis? then the lim is 0, right? why?

what happens if we approach it along x axis, i.e. when y=0.

[tex]f(x,0)=\frac{cosx-1-\frac{1}{2}x^2}{x^4}[/tex]

now what is this limit as x-->0 ?
 
You're right - it is zero. I accidentally had cos(0) as 0 instead of 1. :redface:

For f(x,0), can't we use L'Hopital's to simplify it to cos(x)/24 = 1/24? Therefore the limits along y=0 and x=0 are different, so the limit doesn't exist at the origin?
 
rafehi said:
You're right - it is zero. I accidentally had cos(0) as 0 instead of 1. :redface:

For f(x,0), can't we use L'Hopital's to simplify it to cos(x)/24 = 1/24? Therefore the limits along y=0 and x=0 are different, so the limit doesn't exist at the origin?

that's right!
 
Thanks for your help, sm.
 

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