How to explain that n choose k is equal to n choose (n-k)?

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The discussion revolves around explaining combinatorially why the binomial coefficient ##\binom n k## is equal to ##\binom n {n-k}##. Participants are tasked with providing a verbal explanation rather than an algebraic one.

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  • Participants explore the idea of partitioning a set of ##n## elements into subsets of size ##k## and ##n-k##. There is an attempt to articulate the equivalence of choosing ##k## elements versus choosing ##n-k## elements, with some participants questioning how these two approaches relate to each other.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on the combinatorial reasoning behind the equality. Some have provided examples to illustrate their points, while others express confusion about the relationship between the two subsets.

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Participants are encouraged to avoid algebraic manipulations and focus solely on verbal explanations. There is an emphasis on understanding the concept of complements in subsets.

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Homework Statement


"Explain combinatorially (not algebraically) why ##\binom n k=\binom n {n-k}##. In other words, explain why this is true using words, and not algebraic manipulations."

Homework Equations


##\binom n k = \frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!}##

The Attempt at a Solution


"Suppose you have a set of ##n## elements ##S_n##. Partition this set into two disjoint subsets of ##k## elements ##S_k## and ##n-k## elements ##S_{n-k}##. There are ##\frac{n!}{(n-k)!}## total ways to create ##S_k##, and of those total ways, a given set of ##k## elements will have ##k!## permutations. So there are ##\binom n k = \frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!}## unduplicated sets of ##k## elements."

I'm having trouble seeing as how this is the same as creating all possible ##S_{n-k}##.
 
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How many elements were not chosen when you picked out ##k## elements from ##n## elements?
 
Also, it is clearly a mathematical fact, since
$$
{n \choose n-k} = \frac{n!}{(n-k)!(n-(n-k))!} = \frac{n!}{(n-k)!k!} = {n \choose k}.
$$
 
Eclair_de_XII said:

Homework Statement


"Explain combinatorially (not algebraically) why ##\binom n k=\binom n {n-k}##. In other words, explain why this is true using words, and not algebraic manipulations."

Homework Equations


##\binom n k = \frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!}##

The Attempt at a Solution


"Suppose you have a set of ##n## elements ##S_n##. Partition this set into two disjoint subsets of ##k## elements ##S_k## and ##n-k## elements ##S_{n-k}##. There are ##\frac{n!}{(n-k)!}## total ways to create ##S_k##, and of those total ways, a given set of ##k## elements will have ##k!## permutations. So there are ##\binom n k = \frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!}## unduplicated sets of ##k## elements."

I'm having trouble seeing as how this is the same as creating all possible ##S_{n-k}##.

Think concretely. You have a group of ##n## people and you have two tables, one with ##k## seats and one with ##n-k## seats. There are two different ways to think about assigning people to tables: (1) You can pick ##k## people for the first table. There are ##\left( \begin{array} \\ n \\ k \end{array} \right)## ways to do this. Anyone who isn't assigned to the first table is automatically assigned to the second table. (2) You can pick ##n-k## people to assign to the second table. There are ##\left( \begin{array} \\ n \\ n-k \end{array} \right)## ways to do this. Anyone not assigned to the second table is assigned to the first table.

Obviously, these are equivalent, so the number of ways should be the same.
 
Eclair_de_XII said:

Homework Statement


"Explain combinatorially (not algebraically) why ##\binom n k=\binom n {n-k}##. In other words, explain why this is true using words, and not algebraic manipulations."

Homework Equations


##\binom n k = \frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!}##

The Attempt at a Solution


"Suppose you have a set of ##n## elements ##S_n##. Partition this set into two disjoint subsets of ##k## elements ##S_k## and ##n-k## elements ##S_{n-k}##. There are ##\frac{n!}{(n-k)!}## total ways to create ##S_k##, and of those total ways, a given set of ##k## elements will have ##k!## permutations. So there are ##\binom n k = \frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!}## unduplicated sets of ##k## elements."

I'm having trouble seeing as how this is the same as creating all possible ##S_{n-k}##.

Every subset has a complement (which is another subset). The number of subsets equals the number of complements.
 
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