How many subsets of size three or less are in a n-object set

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of subsets of size three or less from a set of size n, specifically in the context of selecting applicants for a job. The original poster presents three related questions regarding the selection process and the mathematical representation of subsets.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the different parts of the problem, questioning whether the expressions for parts (a), (b), and (c) differ in meaning or just in form. There is an attempt to connect the combinatorial expressions used in the context of job selection and subset formation.

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Some participants have confirmed the correctness of the approach to part (a) and are engaging in a dialogue about the similarities and differences between the parts. There is an ongoing exploration of how the questions relate to one another, with no clear consensus yet reached.

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The discussion includes considerations of how subsets are defined and the implications of selecting from a set of applicants, with an emphasis on the size constraints of the subsets involved.

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Homework Statement


(a) How many ways can at most three people out of a selection of ##n## applicants be selected for a job?
(b) How many subsets of size at most three are there in a set of size ##n##?
(c) How many ways can a given subset of size three or fewer be chosen for the job?

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(a) There are ##\sum_{i=0}^3 \binom n i## ways.
(b) Define the set of n objects as ##A##. Then define a subset ##\sigma_i=\{x\in P(A): |x|\leq 3\}##. Now define a set of integers ##J=\{i\in \mathbb{N}:\sigma_i\cap \sigma_j=∅,\sum_i |\sigma_i|=n\}##. Now define ##S_k=\cup_{j \in J} \sigma_j##, and so for a given selection of subsets, the number of subsets of at most size three is: ##\frac{n!}{\Pi_{\sigma_i\in S_k} |\sigma_i|!}##. And so the total number of possible subsets of at most size three is: ##\sum_{k=1}^{|\{\text{possible arrangements of subsets of at most three}\}|}\frac{n!}{\Pi_{\sigma_i\in S_k} |\sigma_i|!}##
 
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Your answer to (a) is correct.

Do you think (b) or (c) differs from (a) other than in how they are expressed? If so, how? (Note that in none of the three cases are the subsets specified to be ordered).
 
andrewkirk said:
Do you think (b) or (c) differs from (a) other than in how they are expressed? If so, how?

Well, in part (a), you're choosing one subset of at most size three to be selected for a job, while part (b) asks for how many of these possible subsets there are in the n-size set. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that they're both the same, in the respect that ##\binom n k## for ##k\leq 3## counts how many subsets of ##k## elements can be formed from a set of ##n## objects. So I'll take a shot in the dark and say that the answer to part (a) is the same as in part (b), or part (b)'s answer looks something like: ##\binom n k## for ##k\leq 3##.
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
Well, in part (a), you're choosing one subset of at most size three to be selected for a job, while part (b) asks for how many of these possible subsets there are in the n-size set. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that they're both the same, in the respect that ##\binom n k## for ##k\leq 3## counts how many subsets of ##k## elements can be formed from a set of ##n## objects. So I'll take a shot in the dark and say that the answer to part (a) is the same as in part (b), or part (b)'s answer looks something like: ##\binom n k## for ##k\leq 3##.
Yes, the set of applicants is a set of size ##n## and the set of people selected for the job is a subset of that, of size at most three.

The three questions are the same, just expressed differently.
 
Huh, thanks.
 

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