How to find a mathematical formula for these points?

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The discussion revolves around finding a mathematical formula for a sequence defined by specific points and recursive relationships. The subject area includes sequences, recursion, and potentially combinatorial reasoning.

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  • Participants explore the nature of the function "b," questioning whether it is a function of one or two variables. They discuss the relationship between the points provided and the recursive definition involving powers of 2. There is an attempt to derive a closed formula from the recursive definition and to clarify the reasoning behind including terms like 2^n.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering different interpretations of the problem and exploring various forms of the recursive relationship. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of closed formulas versus fitting formulas, but no consensus has been reached on a specific formula.

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There is some ambiguity regarding the definition of the function "b," particularly whether it is defined for one or two variables. Additionally, participants are grappling with the implications of the recursive definition and the initial conditions provided.

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how to find a mathematical formula for these points??

i got these points for this function "b" :
b(0,0)=1
b(1,0)=3
b(1,1)=4
b(2,0)=8

b(0)=1
b(1)=2+1=3
b(2)=4+1+3=8

b(n)=2^n +b(0) +b(1) +b(2) +.. + b(n-2)+b(n-1)

b(n-1)=2^n +b(0) +b(1) +b(2) +.. + b(n-2)

b(n)=b(n-1)+b(n-1) =2*b(n-1)which by the way is wrong because b(1) doesn't equal to 2* b(0)

b(n)=2*b(n-1)how to transform it to the formula
b(n,c)=c+(n-2)*2^(n-1) ?
 
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You have both "b(0,0)" and "b(0)". Is b a function of one variable or two?

Are you just trying to find a function that fits the points (and if so which points: (0,0,0) or (0,0)?) or do you have some other reason to believe that 2^n comes into the equataion?
 


every point ends with zero

b(0,0)=b(0)
b(1,0)=b(1)

the reason i put 2^n into the equation is

b(0)=1 b(0)=1
b(1)=2+1=3 b(1)=2+b(0)
b(2)=4+1+3=8 b(2)=4+b(0)+b(1)so each ne member is the sum of the previous members and 2^n

unfortunately i don't know how build a standard formula from that series expression

b(n,c)=c+(n-2)*2^(n-1) ?
 


So this is NOT a problem of finding a formula that will give those points (there are an infinite number of formulas to fit any finite number of points) but of finding a "closed" formula for that iteration:
bn= 2n+ b0+ b1+ ...+ bn-1 with b0= 1.
 


how do i find a "closed" formula for that iteration:
bn= 2n+ b0+ b1+ ...+ bn-1 with b0= 1.

so ill get

b(n)=(n-2)*2^(n-1)

??
 
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i simplified it into
b(n)=2^(n-1) +2*b(n-1) b0=1

what to do now
 

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