How to Find the Ground State of a System of Identical Bosons?

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The discussion revolves around finding the ground state of a system of identical bosons interacting via a pairwise potential. Participants explore the implications of the Hamiltonian in the non-interacting case, the role of momentum states, and the contributions of kinetic energy to the ground state expectation value.

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  • One participant outlines the Hamiltonian for a system of N identical bosons and attempts to derive the expectation value of the Hamiltonian in the non-interacting ground state.
  • Another participant questions whether the contribution from the kinetic energy should vanish, indicating uncertainty about the calculations.
  • Some participants confirm the initial steps taken in the derivation but seek clarification on the value of momentum in the ground state.
  • There is a suggestion that for non-interacting bosons, the ground state consists solely of zero momentum particles, referencing theoretical work related to superfluidity.
  • A participant points out a potential issue with the treatment of the potential in the integral, suggesting that the presence of non-zero momentum particles would affect the derived factor of N(N-1).

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Participants generally agree on the initial steps of the derivation but express differing views on the implications of momentum states and the role of the potential in the ground state. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct treatment of these aspects.

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There are unresolved questions about the assumptions regarding momentum states and the treatment of the potential in the Hamiltonian. The dependence on the specific definitions and conditions of the system is also noted.

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Suppose I have a system of N identical bosons interacting via pairwise potential [itex]V(\vec{x} - \vec{x}')[/itex].

I want to show that the expectation of the Hamiltonian in the non-interacting ground state is

[itex]\frac{N(N-1)}{2\mathcal{V}}\widetilde{V}(0)[/itex]
where
[itex]\widetilde{V}(q) = \int d^3 \vec{x} e^{i \vec{q} \cdot \vec{x}}(\vec{x})[/itex]
and [itex]\mathcal{V}[/itex] is the volume of the `box'.

My attempt:

First I need to find the ground state in the absence of potential.

The second-quantized Hamiltonian is

[itex]\hat{H} = \int d^{3}\vec{x} \hat{\psi}^\dag (\vec{x})\left( -\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\nabla_{\vec{x}}^2 \right) \hat{\psi}(\vec{x}) \quad +\quad \int\int d^3\vec{x}d^3\vec{x}'\hat{\psi}^\dag(\vec{x}')\hat{\psi}^\dag(\vec{x})V(\vec{x},\vec{x}')\hat{\psi}(\vec{x})\hat{\psi}(\vec{x}')[/itex]

Set V = 0 and then

[itex]\hat{H} = \int d^{3}\vec{x} \hat{\psi}^\dag (\vec{x})\left( -\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\nabla_{\vec{x}}^2 \right) \hat{\psi}(\vec{x})[/itex]

Now use the definition [itex]\hat{\psi}(x) \equiv \sum_{\lambda} \langle \vec{x} | a^{(\lambda)} \rangle \hat{a}_{\lambda} , \quad \hat{\psi}(x) \equiv \sum_{\lambda} \langle a^{(\lambda)} | \vec{x}} \rangle \hat{a}^\dag_{\lambda}[/itex]

where [itex]a_\lambda,a^\dag_\lambda[/itex] are the annihilation and creation operators that subtract or add a particle to the single-particle state [itex]|a^{(\lambda)}\rangle[/itex].

Now I'm going to let the single-particle states be momentum eigenstates so

[itex]\hat{\psi}(\vec{x}) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{\mathcal{V}}}\sum_{\vec{k}} e^{i\vec{k} \cdot\vec{x}} \hat{a}_{\vec{k}}[/itex]

Plugging this in and using the fact that [itex]\int d^3\vec{x} e^{i(\vec{k}' - \vec{k})\cdot\vec{x}} = \delta_{\vec{k},\vec{k}'}[/itex] gives

[itex]\hat{H} = \sum_{\vec{k}} \frac{\hbar^2 \vec{k}^2}{2m}\hat{a}^\dag_{\vec{k}}\hat{a}_\vec{k}[/itex]

so the eigenstates of the non-interacting Hamiltonian are the occupation number states [itex]| n_{\vec{k}_1},n_{\vec{k}_2},\ldots\rangle[/itex]
 
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Have I done this much right? I think I might have made a mistake because I was expecting the contribution to the expectation coming from the kinetic energy to vanish.
 
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Yes, correct so far.

But for the ground state, what is the value of the momentum [itex]\vec k[/itex]?
 
Avodyne said:
Yes, correct so far.

But for the ground state, what is the value of the momentum [itex]\vec k[/itex]?

I'm not sure, I basically left it as [itex]\vec{k}_1[/itex] and moved on. I managed to figure out the second part. It comes down to using the fact that everything is in the ground state and using a change of variables in the integration.

I suppose that if the system is in a box then the momenta are quantized according to
[itex]\vec{k} = \frac{2\pi}{\mathcal{V}^{1/3}}\vec{n}[/itex] so [itex]\frac{2\pi}{\mathcal{V}^{1/3}}[/itex] is the lowest wavenumber?
 
For a system of non-interacting bosons, the ground state consists of only zero momentum particles. (See Bogulubov's(sp?) work on superfluidity, which is strongly based on this idea.) Your V(0) is odd: the potential does not appear in the defining integral -- if it does then you are on the right track. If there were non-zero momentum particles, then your N(N-1) factor would be incorrect.

Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 

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