How to Find the Root of f(x) = x^3 - x - 1 for Homework?

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The discussion revolves around finding the root of the cubic function f(x) = x^3 - x - 1. Participants explore various methods and considerations for solving cubic equations, noting the limitations of quadratic methods.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the applicability of the quadratic formula and the rational root test, with some suggesting numerical methods or graphical approaches. There is a mention of using the rational root test, but it is noted that this polynomial does not yield rational roots. One participant introduces a more complex algebraic manipulation involving cubic equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering various methods and questioning the effectiveness of certain approaches. Some guidance has been provided regarding sketching the curve and using numerical methods, but no consensus has been reached on a single method for finding the root.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the realization that the rational root test does not apply in this case. There is also a focus on the complexity of cubic equations compared to quadratic ones.

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How does one find the root of f(x) = x^3 - x - 1 ? Quadratic Equation only works on power of 2. I can't factor out an x to get a first term of x^2 because then Quadratic equation still won't work because the middle and last term would be messed up, I think.

What are the rules or the process?
 
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There is a formula, like the one you've memorized for quadratics, though the one for cubics is more frightening. Try a google search for it.

Or you can sometimes see a solution by inspection, esp. integer solutions. Or you can use a numerical method to find an approximate solution, that approximation can be to whatever accuracy you desire. Or you could plot a graph and read off from there.

Are you content to settle for a solution correct to 4 sig figs? :wink:
 
It is always recommended that you sketch the curve so that you know what you are dealing with. There are plenty of online plotting resources, quickmath is a handy one. Here's a sample, but it's not of the exact function you have (I don't plan to do your work for you!) http://www.quickmath.com/webMathema...uation&v1=x^3+-+x+-+2=y&v2=-2&v3=2&v4=-4&v5=4

Bookmark that site, it offers a lot more than just curve plotting. :smile:
 
Use the rational root test, then test for each one using synthetic division.
 
The rational root test won't give a root here because this polynomial has NO rational roots. The rational root test, for this polynomial, says that 1 and -1 are the only possible rational roots and they clearly are not roots.

If a and b are any two numbers then [itex](a- b)^3= a^3- 3a^2b+ 3ab^2- b^3[/itex] and [itex]3ab(a- b)= 3a^2b- 3ab^2[/itex] so that [itex](a- b)^3+ 3ab(a- b)= a^3- b^3[/itex]. That means that if we let x= a- b, m= 3ab, and [itex]n= a^3- b^3[/itex], we have [itex]x^3+ mx= n[/itex].

Now, suppose we know m and n. Can we solve for a and b and so find x? Yes, we can!

From m= 3ab, we have b= m/3a. Putting that into [itex]n= a^3- b^3[/itex], we get [itex]n= a^3- m^3/3^3a^3[/itex]. Multiplying through by [itex]a^3[/itex] we have [itex]na^3= (a^3)^2- m^3/3^3[/itex] which is a quadratic [itex](a^3)^2- na^3- m^3/3^3= 0[/itex] for [itex]a^3[/itex].

Solving that with the the quadratic formula,
[tex]a^3= \frac{n\pm\sqrt{n^2+4\frac{m^3}{3^3}}}{2}= \frac{n}{2}\pm\sqrt{\left(\frac{n}{2}\right)^2+ \left(\frac{m}{3}\right)^3}[/tex]

Since [itex]a^3- b^3= n[/itex],
[tex]b^3= a^3- n= -\frac{n}{2}\mp\sqrt{\left(\frac{n}{2}\right)^2+ \left(\frac{m}{3}\right)^3}[/tex]
 
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HallsofIvy said:
The rational root test won't give a root here because this polynomial has NO rational roots. The rational root test, for this polynomial, says that 1 and -1 are the only possible rational roots and they clearly are not roots.

You are right that in this case it wouldn't help, but it is a good rule of thumb in general.
 
HallsofIvy said:
we have [itex]x^x+ mx= n[/itex]
Very neat!

Is it too late to fix the typo?
 
Thanks. I have edited it.
 

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