How to Form the Differential Equation for a Curve with Equidistant Normal?

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The discussion revolves around forming a differential equation for a curve that passes through the point (1,1) and has the property that the normal at any point on the curve is equidistant from the x-axis and the origin. Participants explore the implications of this property, attempt to derive the differential equation, and express confusion regarding the interpretation of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines an approach to derive the equation of the normal and attempts to set up the distance condition but expresses difficulty in reaching the differential equation.
  • Another participant questions the interpretation of the phrase "the normal at any point on the curve is equidistant from the x-axis and the origin," suggesting confusion about the concept of distance between lines.
  • A third participant asks for alternative perspectives on how to approach the problem and potential solutions.
  • A fourth participant provides a manipulation of the normal equation and derives a form of the differential equation, but it remains unclear how it relates to the original condition.
  • A fifth participant highlights the need to incorporate the condition regarding the perpendicular distance of the normal being equal to its y-coordinate and references an answer involving a differential expression, indicating a possible oversight in the previous discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the problem statement and the conditions required to derive the differential equation. There is no consensus on the correct approach or interpretation, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential ambiguities in the problem statement, particularly regarding the definition of distance in the context of lines and points. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the derivation of the differential equation.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying differential equations, geometry of curves, or mathematical problem-solving techniques in a theoretical context.

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I need help. I am not getting the solution to this:

A curve passes through the point (1,1) and has the property that the normal at any point on the curve is equidistant from the x-axis and the origin. Form the differential equation for the curve, find the curve and state which quadrant(s) the curve lies in.

Here is what I did,
The slope of the normal at any point would be -1/(dy/dx) and the equation of the normal at the point would be y=mx+c where m= -1/(dy/dx). If this is the normal at (1,1), then 1=m+c, => c=1-m

Therefore, the equation of the line comes out to be y=mx+1-m. Rearranging this, y-mx-1+m=0. The distance of this line from the origin is :
|-1+m| / ((1+m*m)^1/2) which is equal to 1 (distance from the x-axis as this is the normal at (1,1) ).

After this, you substitute m= -1/(dy/dx) and you get your differential equation... only you dont... what am I doing wrong?
 
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I find the statement "the normal at any point on the curve is equidistant from the x-axis and the origin" confusing. The normal at that point is a line. I know what is meant by the distance from a line to a point but what is the "distance" between two lines in a plane? At the end, you appear to be using the distance from the point (1,1) to the x-axis as the "distance between the normal and the x-axis". That certainly isn't the way I would interpret the phrase.
 
If that isn't it, then how would you look at the problem? What could a possible solution be?
 
[tex]y - mx - 1 + m = 0 \Rightarrow y -(-\frac{1}{\frac{dy}{dx}})x-1-\frac{1}{\frac{dy}{dx}} = 0[/tex]

[tex]y +\frac{1}{\frac{dy}{dx}}(x-1) - 1 = 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{\frac{dy}{dx}}(x-1) = 1- y[/tex][tex]\frac{1}{\frac{dy}{dx}} = \frac{1-y}{x-1}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{x-1}{1-y}[/tex]
 
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Where do you use the condition that the perpendicular distance of the normal at a point is equal to its y co-ordinate? The answer given is d(x*x-y*y)=(2xy)dy. Is there something I am missing?
 
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