How to get Peierls substitution in edge state?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Peierls substitution in the context of edge states, particularly referencing the paper PRL 101, 246807 (2008). Participants explore the mathematical justification for the substitution of the momentum operator in a tight binding Hamiltonian when coupled to an external magnetic field.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the mathematical basis for the Peierls substitution, noting the difference between the eigenvalue of the translation operator and the momentum operator.
  • Another participant clarifies that \( k_y \) is indeed the eigenvalue of the momentum operator \( p_y = -i \partial_y \), suggesting a misunderstanding in the initial post.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the term "Peierls substitution" may be misapplied in the paper, arguing that the transition from periodic boundary conditions to finite boundary conditions alters the status of \( k_y \) as a quantum number.
  • This participant also proposes that the substitution resembles a transition from a lattice model to a continuum model rather than a strict Peierls substitution.
  • One participant shares their experience solving the model, indicating a method involving a partial Fourier transform along the y direction to achieve a Hamiltonian that maintains periodic boundary conditions in one direction while being a lattice model in another.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the term "Peierls substitution" and the mathematical implications of the substitution in the context discussed. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation or application of the substitution.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of quantum numbers and the nature of boundary conditions are not fully explored, which may affect the understanding of the Peierls substitution in this context.

haw
In paper PRL 101, 246807 (2008), authors use "Peierls substitution", that is ky -> -i y. As we know, ky is eigenvalue of translation operator in period potential, while -i y is momentum operator, it seems they are huge different. So I wonder how to get ""Peierls substitution" in strict math way?
 
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haw said:
In paper PRL 101, 246807 (2008), authors use "Peierls substitution", that is ky -> -i y. As we know, ky is eigenvalue of translation operator in period potential, while -i y is momentum operator, it seems they are huge different. So I wonder how to get ""Peierls substitution" in strict math way?

No, [itex]k_y[/itex] is the eigenvalue of momentum [itex]p_y = -i \partial_y[/itex].

The translation operator in the y direction is given by [itex]T_y(a) = e^{-i p_y a}[/itex].
 
Peierls substitution is a way to couple a tight binding Hamiltonian to a external magnetic field within the lattice approximation. I see what you are referring to in the paper; they say that they use that substitution to say [itex]k_y \rightarrow \partial_y[/itex]. I think they might be misusing the term; When they move from PBC's to finite BC's along the y direction, [itex]k_y[/itex] is no longer a good quantum number. And in moving from a lattice model with momentum [itex]k_y[/itex] to a continuum model with crystal momentum [itex]\hbar k[/itex] they make the substitution [itex]k_y \rightarrow \hbar k_y[/itex] or [itex]\partial_y[/itex]. I'm not sure why they call it a Peierls substitution, it looks more like a substitution like lattice to continuum model. Here is a nice forum post about the math behind the Peierls substitution: https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/178003/tight-binding-model-in-a-magnetic-field

I've actually solved this model before, and the way to do it is to take the momentum space Hamiltonian and do a partial Fourier transform along the y direction, so that in the final product you have a Hamiltonian that is PBC in the x direction but lattice model in the y direction.
 
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Thanks for your help! Actually helpful.
 

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