How to get physics PhD before 25?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility and implications of obtaining a PhD in physics before the age of 25. Participants explore various timelines, personal motivations, and the potential sacrifices involved in such an academic pursuit.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that it is possible to complete a PhD by 25 if one starts college early and takes accelerated courses.
  • Others question the necessity of rushing through education, raising concerns about the emotional and social sacrifices that may accompany such a path.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of being committed to a major before starting college to avoid potential setbacks from changing interests.
  • Another viewpoint highlights that while finishing a PhD early is achievable, it may not be beneficial, suggesting that personal growth experiences during college are valuable.
  • Some participants mention that in certain countries like the UK or Australia, the timeline for completing a PhD can naturally align with finishing by 25 without the need for extreme measures.
  • There is a humorous perspective on the social implications of obtaining a PhD early, suggesting it could influence dating dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of opinions, with some agreeing on the possibility of finishing a PhD by 25 while others emphasize the drawbacks and question the motivations behind such a goal. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to achieving this timeline.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is influenced by individual circumstances, including educational systems in different countries, personal priorities, and the potential impact of early graduation on life experiences.

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Just wondering if it is possible.Thanks
 
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chip747 said:
Just wondering if it is possible.Thanks
Possible if you are bright enough.
 
Thanks :smile:
 
Start college when you are 18. Finish in three years by taking summer and winter classes. Start PhD when you are 21 and complete it in 4 years. That sounds reasonable.
 
It's possible, but why? Are you afraid there won't be any physics left when you are 26?
 
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It is, but why do you want to?

You have to be dead set on the major you're going to take before you start, which is how a lot of students set themselves up for failure when they find the major they picked at 16 isn't what they wanted but feel obligated to press through. Most students change majors, it is an inevitable consequence of being exposed to the new topics and interests that are available to you in college. If you've got that grinding down on you emotionally, you will not be able to stay motivated enough to do the work to finish so early.

You will have to make sacrifices, possibly serious ones. Schoolwork is important and should be your priority above and beyond all else, but if you're in college then you miss out on a lot of things you'll never get a chance to do again if you don't make time for yourself. And some of those experiences are important "maturing" life experiences. And I don't necessarily just mean partying and having stereotypical "college fun", I also mean things like taking classes outside of the core requirements for your degree that broaden your horizons and sharpen your critical thinking skills, or electives within your major that show people (ie future potential employers and graduate degree advisers) that you have serious interests in physics and didn't just want to rush through doing only what was absolutely necessary to finish your degree ASAP. And success in any career can ultimately depend just as much if note more on supplemental skills like writing and public speaking than it does on the "core" of the field, going the extra mile to master those pays off in the long run. You will go much further in life as a completely average scientist who can lucidly communicate his ideas (and effectively convince people that you're worth funding) or speak in multiple languages or engage with people in a diverse range of industries and specializations than you will as even the best scientist in the world but who can do none of these things.

If you're talking about graduating early because you want to, not because you feel like you're rushed or think it will make you look smarter, then by all means go for it. But it's not like you have to or that there's any great benefit to doing so.
 
Live in the UK and laugh
 
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artfullounger said:
Live in the UK and laugh

Or Australia! Finish high-school at 17/18, 4 year undergrad brings you to 21/22, 3-4 year PhD brings you to 24-26. This is a "normal" timeline if you don't take a break from study, no rushing required.
 
You can probably do it by 25 and go raving mad, or be a sane person and have it finished by 27. What's the difference?
 
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You can probably do it by 25 and go raving mad, or be a sane person and have it finished by 27. What's the difference?
It does let you effectively ham your age if you want to date older members of the opposite sex at 25 and not have it seem weird to them.

Date: You don't look 35.
You: I did a PhD proving the Riemann Hypothesis.

If that doesn't instantly add 10 years to your face I don't know what would.
 
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PhotonSSBM said:
It does let you effectively ham your age if you want to date older members of the opposite sex at 25 and not have it seem weird to them.

Date: You don't look 35.
You: I did a PhD proving the Riemann Hypothesis.

If that doesn't instantly add 10 years to your face I don't know what would.

Well that just moved to the top of my list of "reasons to get a PhD"
 

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