How to get the 4th equation using this data(lenear algebra)

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The discussion revolves around constructing a transformation matrix T in linear algebra, specifically focusing on deriving a fourth equation from given independent vectors. The original poster attempts to find the matrix T, which is of size 2x4, based on provided data but encounters a limitation in obtaining sufficient equations for the parameters involved.

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  • Participants discuss different methods of constructing the transformation matrix T and express concerns about the number of equations available for the parameters. Questions arise about how to utilize the independence of the vectors to derive an additional equation for the parameters.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between the vectors and the implications of their independence, but no consensus has been reached on how to construct the fourth equation.

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There is mention of the need for four equations to solve for the parameters of the transformation matrix, and the participants are considering the implications of the independence of the vectors provided in the problem.

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this is the data that i was given about the question:
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6041/49022610ps1.th.gif

i need to find the matrix of T
i know that T is of 2X4 size
so i built T as
a1 a2 a3 a4
b1 b2 b3 b4

and multiplied by the given vector
i built a matrix for "a" parameters and "b" parameters
but i got only 3 equation instead of the needed 4
in order to get the values of "a"'s and "b"'s

how to use the independent vectors data to construct the 4th equation??
 
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Let's call your vectors u1 = [1 1 0 1], u2 = [0 1 0 1], and u3 = [1 1 0 0].
Since Tu1 = Tu2 = Tu3 = [1 1], then
Tu1 - Tu2 = [0 0] ==> T(u1 - u2) = [0 0]
Tu1 - Tu3 = [0 0] ==> T(u1 - u3) = [0 0]
Tu2 - Tu3 = [0 0] ==> T(u2 - u3) = [0 0]

These equations tell us that u1 - u2, u1 - u3, and u2 - u3 are in the nullspace of T.
Find these vectors, and find a subset of them that is a linearly independent set. From those vectors you can get values for the entries of the matrix corresponding to the transformation T.
 
i solved it differently
i said
T=(a1 a2 a3 a4)
(b1 b2 b3 b4)

and built an equations T*U1=(1,1) T*U2=(1,1) T*U3=(1,1)
so i get for "a" parameters only 3 equations
which is not enough
how to use the data that those vectors are independent
in order to build the 4th "a" parameter equation

( the same thing goes for "b" parameters)

??
 
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You say you solved it differently, but you're still asking questions, so it doesn't sound like the problem is actually solved. On the other hand, I actually found a matrix A for which A*u1 = [1 1], A*u2 = [1 1] and A*u3 = [1 1], so which is the better solution?
 
you are not using he fact that two vectors are independent
??
 
Yes, I am. Look at what I said in post #2.
 

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