How to move from the space of moments to the space of energies?

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This discussion focuses on the calculation of the grand potential and average number of bosons in a gas of spin-0 bosons. The grand potential is expressed as ##\Phi =\frac{kTV}{h^3} \int ln(1-e^{-\beta(p^2/2m -\mu})d^3p##, and after variable substitution, it transforms into a function of energy states. The average number of bosons is derived as ##N = -\frac{\partial{\Phi}}{\partial{\mu}}##, leading to a discrepancy with established literature, specifically a factor of 2 difference compared to results in Greiner's and Amit's texts. The error is attributed to the incorrect substitution of variables during differentiation.

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Grand Canonical Ensemble of bosons: how to move from the space of moments to the space of energies?
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I denote with #\epsilon# the energy of the state particle, and we have ##2m\epsilon = p^2## where
##p^2 = p_{x}^2+p_{y}^2+p_{z}^2##
Suppose we have a gas of bosons with spin 0 and the grand potential is

##\Phi =\frac{kTV}{h^3} \int ln(1-e^{-\beta(p^2/2m -\mu})d^3p##

we already integrated the function in the coordinate space and the result is the factor V (volume). Now, we know that ##\epsilon = p^2/2m## and ##d^3p = 4\pi p^2dp##, and if we change variable because we want to integrate in energies states we have of course ##p^2 = 2m\epsilon## and we obtain ##dp = (2m)^{1/2} \epsilon^{-1/2}d\epsilon##. The expression of ##\Phi## changes and become

##\Phi =\frac{kTV}{h^3} \int ln(1-e^{-\beta(p^2/2m -\mu})4\pi (2m)^{3/2}\epsilon^{1/2}d\epsilon##

or in a better manner

##\Phi =\frac{4\pi kTV(2m)^{3/2}}{h^3} \int ln(1-e^{-\beta(p^2/2m -\mu})\epsilon^{1/2}d\epsilon## (1)


Starting from this expression of the grand potential we can obtain the average number of bosons of the gas system

##N = -\frac{\partial{\Phi}}{\partial{\mu}} = \frac{4\pi V (2m)^{3/2}}{h^3} \int \frac{\epsilon^{1/2}}{e^{\beta(\epsilon-\mu)}-1} d\epsilon## (2)

the expressions (1) and (2) are different from the same that we can read on books like Greiner (Thermodynamics Statistical Mechanics) or Amit (Statistical Physics: and introductory course):

##N = -\frac{\partial{\Phi}}{\partial{\mu}} = \frac{2\pi V (2m)^{3/2}}{h^3} \int \frac{\epsilon^{1/2}}{e^{\beta(\epsilon-\mu)}-1} d\epsilon## (3)

for a factor 2.

And I know this is ridicolous and of course there are some misunderstanding very basic, but I don't understand why my result is double compared with the (3).
 
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damarkk said:
we already integrated the function in the coordinate space and the result is the factor V (volume). Now, we know that ϵ=p2/2m and d3p=4πp2dp, and if we change variable because we want to integrate in energies states we have of course p2=2mϵ and we obtain dp=(2m)1/2ϵ−1/2dϵ. T
##p^2=2m\epsilon##
##2pdp=2md\epsilon##
##dp=\frac{m}{p} d\epsilon=\frac{\sqrt{m} }{\sqrt{2}\sqrt{\epsilon}} d\epsilon##
it differs factor 1/2 from your result.
 
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I'm sorry because this is very a stupid question :D (if you want delete it). Of course the mistake occurs because

##N(k)= \frac{V}{(2\pi)^3}\frac{4}{3}\pi k^3## and ##\frac{d N}{d k} = \frac{V}{(2\pi)^3}=4\pi k^2##

I substitute ##k^2## with ##2m\epsilon/\hbar^2## and this is the error.

The substitution must be done before the derivation ##N(\epsilon)=\frac{V}{(2\pi)^3}\frac{4}{3}\pi (\frac{2m\epsilon}{\hbar^2})^{3/2} ## and therefore we have

##\frac{d N}{d \epsilon}= \frac{2\pi (2m)^{3/2} \epsilon^{1/2}}{h^3}##

and this is correct.

Alternatively we can compute in this manner:


##\frac{d N}{d \epsilon}=\frac{d N}{d k}\frac{d k}{d \epsilon} =\frac{V}{(2\pi)^{3}} 4\pi (\frac{2m\epsilon}{\hbar^2}) \frac{m}{\hbar\sqrt{2m\epsilon}}##

that is equal to

## \frac{2\pi (2m)^{3/2} \epsilon^{1/2}}{h^3}##
 
damarkk said:
I substitute k2 with 2mϵ/ℏ2 and this is the error.
You may do this substitution anywhere. Just please be careful for taking derivatives as I posted #2.
 
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You're right.
 

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