How to move from the space of moments to the space of energies?

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The discussion focuses on the calculation of the grand potential and average number of bosons in a gas of spin-0 bosons. The initial expression for the grand potential is transformed through a change of variables from momentum to energy states, leading to a discrepancy in the average number of bosons compared to established literature. The error is identified as a result of incorrect substitution during differentiation, specifically when relating momentum and energy. The correct approach involves ensuring that substitutions are made prior to differentiation to avoid such discrepancies. The conversation emphasizes the importance of careful mathematical manipulation in statistical mechanics calculations.
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Grand Canonical Ensemble of bosons: how to move from the space of moments to the space of energies?
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I denote with #\epsilon# the energy of the state particle, and we have ##2m\epsilon = p^2## where
##p^2 = p_{x}^2+p_{y}^2+p_{z}^2##
Suppose we have a gas of bosons with spin 0 and the grand potential is

##\Phi =\frac{kTV}{h^3} \int ln(1-e^{-\beta(p^2/2m -\mu})d^3p##

we already integrated the function in the coordinate space and the result is the factor V (volume). Now, we know that ##\epsilon = p^2/2m## and ##d^3p = 4\pi p^2dp##, and if we change variable because we want to integrate in energies states we have of course ##p^2 = 2m\epsilon## and we obtain ##dp = (2m)^{1/2} \epsilon^{-1/2}d\epsilon##. The expression of ##\Phi## changes and become

##\Phi =\frac{kTV}{h^3} \int ln(1-e^{-\beta(p^2/2m -\mu})4\pi (2m)^{3/2}\epsilon^{1/2}d\epsilon##

or in a better manner

##\Phi =\frac{4\pi kTV(2m)^{3/2}}{h^3} \int ln(1-e^{-\beta(p^2/2m -\mu})\epsilon^{1/2}d\epsilon## (1)


Starting from this expression of the grand potential we can obtain the average number of bosons of the gas system

##N = -\frac{\partial{\Phi}}{\partial{\mu}} = \frac{4\pi V (2m)^{3/2}}{h^3} \int \frac{\epsilon^{1/2}}{e^{\beta(\epsilon-\mu)}-1} d\epsilon## (2)

the expressions (1) and (2) are different from the same that we can read on books like Greiner (Thermodynamics Statistical Mechanics) or Amit (Statistical Physics: and introductory course):

##N = -\frac{\partial{\Phi}}{\partial{\mu}} = \frac{2\pi V (2m)^{3/2}}{h^3} \int \frac{\epsilon^{1/2}}{e^{\beta(\epsilon-\mu)}-1} d\epsilon## (3)

for a factor 2.

And I know this is ridicolous and of course there are some misunderstanding very basic, but I don't understand why my result is double compared with the (3).
 
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damarkk said:
we already integrated the function in the coordinate space and the result is the factor V (volume). Now, we know that ϵ=p2/2m and d3p=4πp2dp, and if we change variable because we want to integrate in energies states we have of course p2=2mϵ and we obtain dp=(2m)1/2ϵ−1/2dϵ. T
##p^2=2m\epsilon##
##2pdp=2md\epsilon##
##dp=\frac{m}{p} d\epsilon=\frac{\sqrt{m} }{\sqrt{2}\sqrt{\epsilon}} d\epsilon##
it differs factor 1/2 from your result.
 
I'm sorry because this is very a stupid question :D (if you want delete it). Of course the mistake occurs because

##N(k)= \frac{V}{(2\pi)^3}\frac{4}{3}\pi k^3## and ##\frac{d N}{d k} = \frac{V}{(2\pi)^3}=4\pi k^2##

I substitute ##k^2## with ##2m\epsilon/\hbar^2## and this is the error.

The substitution must be done before the derivation ##N(\epsilon)=\frac{V}{(2\pi)^3}\frac{4}{3}\pi (\frac{2m\epsilon}{\hbar^2})^{3/2} ## and therefore we have

##\frac{d N}{d \epsilon}= \frac{2\pi (2m)^{3/2} \epsilon^{1/2}}{h^3}##

and this is correct.

Alternatively we can compute in this manner:


##\frac{d N}{d \epsilon}=\frac{d N}{d k}\frac{d k}{d \epsilon} =\frac{V}{(2\pi)^{3}} 4\pi (\frac{2m\epsilon}{\hbar^2}) \frac{m}{\hbar\sqrt{2m\epsilon}}##

that is equal to

## \frac{2\pi (2m)^{3/2} \epsilon^{1/2}}{h^3}##
 
damarkk said:
I substitute k2 with 2mϵ/ℏ2 and this is the error.
You may do this substitution anywhere. Just please be careful for taking derivatives as I posted #2.
 
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You're right.
 
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