How to normalize Schrodinger equation

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The discussion revolves around normalizing the wave function solution to the Schrödinger equation for a specific potential, where the wave function is defined as psi = 0 for |x| > a and psi = Asin(pi*x/a) for -a <= x <= a. Participants are exploring the requirements for normalization in terms of the constant A.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the normalization condition involving the integral of psi squared over the entire range. There are attempts to integrate the wave function and questions about the properties of the function, such as its oddness and implications for the integral's value.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the wave function and its properties, including its odd function status, which affects the integral's evaluation. There are ongoing questions about the choice of variable limits and the validity of certain mathematical identities, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the specified range for x and the implications of the wave function being odd. There are also references to potential gaps in mathematical knowledge among participants, particularly regarding trigonometric identities.

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Homework Statement



The solution to the Schrödinger equation for a particular potential is psi = 0 for absolute x > a and psi = Asin(pi*x/a) for -a <= x <= a, where A and a are constants. In terms of a, what value of A is required to normalize psi?

Homework Equations



psi = 0 for absolute value of > a
psi = Asin(pi*x/a) for -a<= x <= a

The Attempt at a Solution



The textbook gave the normalization as:

[integral] psi^2 dx = 1. The integral has upper limit positive infinity and lower limit negative infinity.

Can I just start by taking the integral of both sides of psi = Asin(pi*x/a)?

which makes psi = A-cos(pi*x/a) * pi*x^2/(2a)?
 
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warnexus said:

Homework Statement



The solution to the Schrödinger equation for a particular potential is psi = 0 for absolute x > a and psi = Asin(pi*x/a) for -a <= x <= a, where A and a are constants. In terms of a, what value of A is required to normalize psi?

Homework Equations



psi = 0 for absolute value of > a
psi = Asin(pi*x/a) for -a<= x <= a

The Attempt at a Solution



The textbook gave the normalization as:

[integral] psi^2 dx = 1. The integral has upper limit positive infinity and lower limit negative infinity.

Can I just start by taking the integral of both sides of psi = Asin(pi*x/a)?

which makes psi = A-cos(pi*x/a) * pi*x^2/(2a)?
No.

The integral of ψ(x) from -∞ to +∞ is zero. After all, ψ(x) is an odd function.

(ψ(x))2 ≥ 0 for all x and it's greater than zero for some values of x, so its integral is definitely positive.
 
SammyS said:
No.

The integral of ψ(x) from -∞ to +∞ is zero. After all, ψ(x) is an odd function.

(ψ(x))2 ≥ 0 for all x and it's greater than zero for some values of x, so its integral is definitely positive.

How did you know the integral is zero. Why is psi an odd function?
 
warnexus said:
How did you know the integral is zero. Why is psi an odd function?
\displaystyle \Psi(x)=A\sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{a}\right)

Therefore, \displaystyle \ \Psi(-x)=-\Psi(x)\,,\ so \displaystyle \ \Psi(x)\ is odd.

That's pretty much beside the point except that it definitely shows that in general, \displaystyle \ \int \left(f(x)\right)^2\,dx\ne\left(\,\int f(x)\,dx\right)^2\ .

Solving your integral may be made easier by noting that \displaystyle \ \cos(2\theta)=1-2\sin^2(\theta) \ .\ \ And solving for sin2(θ) gives \displaystyle \ \sin^2(\theta)=\frac{1-\cos(2\theta)}{2} \ . \
 
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SammyS said:
\displaystyle \Psi(x)=A\sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{a}\right)

Therefore, \displaystyle \ \Psi(-x)=-\Psi(x)\,,\ so \displaystyle \ \Psi(x)=\ is odd.

That's pretty much beside the point except that it definitely shows that in general, \displaystyle \ \int \left(f(x)\right)^2\,dx\ne\left(\,\int f(x)\,dx\right)^2\ .

Solving your integral may be made easier by noting that \displaystyle \ \cos(2\theta)=1-2\sin^2(\theta) \ .\ \ And solving for sin2(θ) gives \displaystyle \ \sin^2(\theta)=\frac{1-\cos(2\theta)}{2} \ . \

I know I stated -a<= x <= a. But x can be positive or negative. How did you know to choose x to be negative?

How is cos(2θ)=1−2sin2(θ)? I don't remember this being a trig identity. I am weak in math.
 

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