How to obtain a 2D-coordinate system from two family of curves?

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The discussion revolves around the problem of deriving a 2D-coordinate system from two families of curves in a curvilinear coordinate system. Participants explore the conditions under which such a derivation is possible, particularly focusing on specific examples and general strategies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the relationship between fixed coordinates and families of curves, introducing the concept of coordinate lines or level curves.
  • Another participant suggests that polar coordinates can be derived from radial curves and nested circles, implying a method for identifying curvilinear coordinates.
  • A participant provides a specific example involving circles and straight lines to illustrate a straightforward case of deriving coordinates, while expressing interest in a more general procedure.
  • One participant raises a concern about the potential loss of information when generating the two sets of curves, suggesting that this could lead to multiple solutions when attempting to reverse the problem.
  • Another participant notes that not all curves can form coordinate systems, indicating a need to analyze the properties of the curves involved.

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Participants express differing views on the generalizability of the methods for deriving coordinate systems from families of curves. There is no consensus on a universal approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions required for successful derivation.

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Participants acknowledge potential limitations in the information available from the families of curves, including the possibility of losing critical details that could affect the derivation of coordinates.

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Hello,

it is known that if we have a curvilinear coordinate system in ℝ2 like [itex]x=x(u,v)[/itex], [itex]y=y(u,v)[/itex], and we keep one coordinate fixed, say [itex]v=\lambda[/itex], we obtain a family of one-dimensional curves [itex]C_{\lambda}(u)=\left( x(u,\lambda),y(u,\lambda) \right)[/itex]. The analogous argument holds for the other coordinate u. These family of curves are sometimes called coordinate lines, or level curves.

My question is: if I am given two family of curves [itex]C_v(u)[/itex] and [itex]C_u(v)[/itex] is it possible to obtain the system of curvilinear coordinates [itex]x(u,v)[/itex], [itex]y(u,v)[/itex] that generated them?
 
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Consider the family of radial curves and a family of nested circles. Together they create polar coordinates.

Can you determine the curvilinear coordinate system from that knowledge?
 
Yes, if we have a family of circles [itex]C_r(\theta)=\left( r\cos\theta, r\sin\theta \right)[/itex] for some [itex]r\in \mathbb{R}^+[/itex], and a family of straight lines passing through the origin [itex]C_\theta(r)=\left( r\cos\theta, r\sin\theta \right)[/itex] for some [itex]\theta\in[0,2\pi)[/itex] the solution is quite trivial.

I was interested more in a general procedure or simply a strategy that I could follow to solve this kind of problem.

If we cannot answer the general question then let's try at least a less trivial example I was unable to solve like this one: we have two families of "parallel" exponential curves, the first family is [itex]C_\lambda(u) = (u, \; e^u +\lambda)[/itex] for some fixed real scalars v, and the other family is [itex]C_k(v) = (e^{-v} + k, \; v)[/itex] for some real k.
I was unable to obtain two functions x(u,v) , y(u,v) such that [itex]C_\lambda(u) = (x(u,\lambda), \; y(u,\lambda))[/itex] and [itex]C_k(v)=(x(k,v),\; y(k,v))[/itex]
 
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so i guess a way to investigate this is to determine if you lost any info when generating the two sets of curves such that you would find multiple different answers when you reverse the problem.
 
well I imagine you'd have to check the curves, not all curves form coordinates systems.
 

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