Undergrad How to prove the curl curl of a vector?

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The discussion centers on proving the identity for the curl of the curl of a vector field, specifically ∇×(∇×R). The user starts with the known identity ∇×(A×B) and substitutes A=∇ and B=R, leading to a derived expression that includes additional terms. The confusion arises regarding the disappearance of the terms -R(∇⋅∇) and (R⋅∇)∇ in the transition from the derived expression to the simplified version. It is clarified that these terms are differential operators that become zero when not acting on any function. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding the behavior of differential operators in vector calculus identities.
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I've got ∇×(∇×R)=∇(∇.R)-∇2R [call it eq.1]

However I have the identity ∇×(A×B)=A(∇.B)-B(∇⋅A)+ (B⋅∇)A-(A⋅∇)B [call it eq.2]

Substituting in A=∇ and R=B into eq.2 we get ∇×(∇×R)=∇(∇.R)-R(∇⋅∇)+ (R⋅∇)∇-(∇⋅∇)R

which i work out to be ∇×(∇×R)=∇(∇.R)-R(∇⋅∇)+ (R⋅∇)∇-∇2R

Basically I don't understand what happens to the two terms -R(∇⋅∇)+ (R⋅∇)∇ from eq.2 when we get to eq.1, why do they disappear?
 
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shedrick94 said:
Substituting in A=∇
Can't be done:$$ \vec A \times \vec B = - \vec B \times \vec A $$ but $$ \vec \nabla \times \vec A \ne - \vec A \times \vec \nabla $$the left hand side is a vector, the righthand side an operation
 
The disappearing terms are differential operators. As long as they don't act on anything, they will be zero.
 
DrDu said:
The disappearing terms are differential operators. As long as they don't act on anything, they will be zero.
Why is this though?
 
basically then you might put a factor 1 behind the expression and ##\nabla 1=0##, but as I indicated in #2, the equals sign doesn't hold, just like ##{\delta f\over \delta x }\ne f{\delta 1\over x} = 0##
 
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