How to Prove the Property of Tensor Invariants?

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The discussion revolves around proving a property of tensor invariants involving a second-order tensor and its first invariant. The original poster presents a mathematical expression related to the tensor and vectors, seeking a proof or a more elegant approach using tensor calculus.

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  • Some participants suggest examining the properties of the left-hand side of the equation to derive conclusions. Others propose explicitly writing out sums to identify cancellations among terms. There is also a discussion about the invariance and anti-symmetry of the expression under vector exchanges.

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Homework Statement


How to proof the following property of tensor invariants?
Where:
##[\mathbf{a\; b\; c}]=\mathbf{a\cdot (b\times c)} ##,
##\mathbf{T} ##is a second order tensor,
##\mathfrak{J}_{1}^{T}##is its first invariant,
##\mathbf{u, v, w}## are vectors.

Homework Equations


$$[\mathbf{T\cdot u\; v\; w}]+[\mathbf{u\; T\cdot v\; w}]+[\mathbf{u\; v\; T\cdot w}]=\mathfrak{J}_{1}^{T}[\mathbf{u\; v\; w}]$$

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$$T^{l}{ }_{i}u^{i}v^{j}w^{k}\epsilon_{ljk}+T^{l}{ }_{j}u^{i}v^{j}w^{k}\epsilon_{ilk}+T^{l}{ }_{k}u^{i}v^{j}w^{k}\epsilon_{ijl}
$$$$=1/6(T^{l}{ }_{i}u^{i}v^{j}w^{k}\epsilon_{ljk}\epsilon_{\alpha \beta \gamma }\epsilon^{\alpha \beta \gamma }+T^{l}{ }_{i}u^{i}v^{j}w^{k}\epsilon_{ilk}\epsilon_{\alpha \beta \gamma }\epsilon^{\alpha \beta \gamma }+T^{l}{ }_{i}u^{i}v^{j}w^{k}\epsilon_{ijl}\epsilon_{\alpha \beta \gamma }\epsilon^{\alpha \beta \gamma })=?$$[/B]
 
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Trying to blindly chop away with tensor calculus is not the most straightforward way here. I would rather suggest that you look at the properties of the left-hand side to draw conclusions on how it has to be expressed.

Alternatively you could write out some of the sums explicitly and see several terms cancel to finally collect everything.
 
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Orodruin said:
Trying to blindly chop away with tensor calculus is not the most straightforward way here. I would rather suggest that you look at the properties of the left-hand side to draw conclusions on how it has to be expressed.

Alternatively you could write out some of the sums explicitly and see several terms cancel to finally collect everything.
Many thanks for the hint and I've worked out this problem, but is there a more concise and elegant way to give out a proof using tensor calculus?
 
Van Ladmon said:
Many thanks for the hint and I've worked out this problem, but is there a more concise and elegant way to give out a proof using tensor calculus?
By forum rules, full solutions cannot be provided unless the OP (in this case you) have shown that they have solved the problem (i.e., have presented their solution), so I cannot answer that question until you post your solution.
 
$$T_i^1 u^i v^2 w^3 + T_i^1 u^1 v^i w^2 + T_i^1 u^1 v^3 w^i=$$
\begin{equation*}
\left.\begin{aligned}
T_1^1 u^1 v^2 w^3 + T_1^1 u^3 v^1 w^2 + T_1^1 u^2 v^3 w^1 \\
T_2^1 u^2 v^2 w^3 + T_2^1 u^3 v^2 w^2 + T_2^1 u^2 v^3 w^2 \\
T_3^1 u^3 v^2 w^3 + T_3^1 u^3 v^3 w^2 + T_3^1 u^2 v^3 w^3 \\
\end{aligned}\right.
\end{equation*}
There're terms such as ##-T_1^1 u^1 v^3 w^2## which can be obtained by those terms by exchanging two indices once.
So terms like ##-T_2^1 u^2 v^3 w^2##, which is obtained by changing the indices of v and w in ##T_2^1 u^2 v^3 w^2## will cancel out with ##T_2^1 u^2 v^3 w^2##
and terms such as ##T_2^1 u^3 v^2 w^2## with repeated indices of u, v and w will cancel out by their own "negative" terms.
Thus the terms
\begin{equation*}
\left.\begin{aligned}
T_2^1 u^2 v^2 w^3 + T_2^1 u^3 v^2 w^2 + T_2^1 u^2 v^3 w^2 \\
T_3^1 u^3 v^2 w^3 + T_3^1 u^3 v^3 w^2 + T_3^1 u^2 v^3 w^3 \\
\end{aligned}\right.
\end{equation*}
will cancel out and the terms left are
T_1^1 u^1 v^2 w^3 + T_1^1 u^3 v^1 w^2 + T_1^1 u^2 v^3 w^1 - T_1^1 u^1 v^3 w^2 - T_1^1 u^3 v^2 w^1 - T_1^1 u^2 v^1 w^3 \\
That's exactly $$[T_1^1\left(u^i v^j w^k \varepsilon_{ijk}\right)$$
Thus $$\mathbf{T\cdot u\; v\; w}]+[\mathbf{u\; T\cdot v\; w}]+[\mathbf{u\; v\; T\cdot w}]=$$
\begin{equation*}
\left.\begin{aligned}
T_i^1 u^i v^2 w^3 + T_i^1 u^1 v^i w^2 + T_i^1 u^1 v^3 w^i= \\
T_i^2 u^i v^2 w^3 + T_i^2 u^1 v^i w^2 + T_i^2 u^1 v^3 w^i= \\
T_i^3 u^i v^2 w^3 + T_i^3 u^1 v^i w^2 + T_i^3 u^1 v^3 w^i=
\end{aligned}\right.
\end{equation*}
$$=\left(T_1^1+T_2^2+T_3^3\right)\left(u^i v^j w^k \varepsilon_{ijk}\right)=
\mathfrak{J}_{1}^{T}[\mathbf{u\; v\; w}]
$$
 
Ok, so the easier argument is to note that your entire expression is invariant and completely anti-symmetric under exchange of the vectors ##\vec u##, ##\vec v##, and ##\vec w##. Due to this, it must be on the form ##S_{ijk} u^i v^j w^k## where ##S_{ijk}## is a completely anti-symmetric tensor. Due to this, ##S_{ijk} = \alpha \epsilon_{ijk}## for some scalar ##\alpha##. Writing down the expression for ##S## leads to
$$
\alpha \epsilon_{ijk} = T_i^\ell \epsilon_{\ell jk} + T_j^\ell \epsilon_{i\ell k} + T_k^\ell \epsilon_{ij\ell}
$$
and contraction with ##\epsilon^{ijk}## now directly leads to
$$
6\alpha = 6T^\ell_\ell,
$$
i.e., ##S_{ijk} = T^\ell_\ell \epsilon_{ijk}##, and therefore
$$
S_{ijk}u^i v^j w^k = T^\ell_\ell \epsilon_{ijk} u^i v^j w^k = \mathfrak I^T_1 [\vec u \vec v \vec w].
$$
 

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